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Old 05-13-2008, 11:57 AM   #226 (permalink)
 
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Voting for an idiot will not earn my respect. I could care less what color or race anyone is. If you are an American, you should vote for someone who knows how to run the country, not someone who appeals to individual stereotypes, inconsequential musings, or random sensationalism.
How is McCain representing your interest?

Do you think he's going to help put bread on your table? Is he your personal friend? Would you feel safer with him in power? Are you better off under the Republican administration? Do you have a problem with gay marriage? How does he represent you?
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:11 PM   #227 (permalink)
 
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How is McCain representing your interest?
He wants to keep taxes low and, IMO, isn't seeking a highly destructive retreat from the jaws of victory in Iraq and Afghanistan. He won't cowtow to our enemies either.

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Do you think he's going to help put bread on your table?
No. I don't want government's help with that, and any politician who claims to "help" me in any way other than leaving me alone - cutting taxes - loses my vote.

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Is he your personal friend?
No, that's Bubba's great "gift." I don't want the president to be my friend. I want him to be competent.

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Would you feel safer with him in power?
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How does he represent you?
A TON better than any alternative. I don't like McCain-Feingold and I wish we'd enforce our immigration laws for national security reasons, but I do honor the hard work the illegal immigrants do and want them to succeed, so I think I know where he's coming from. I just worry that some asshat will stroll into the US with something that glows in the dark.
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:19 PM   #228 (permalink)
 
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I personally believe McCain deserves to be President, he has served this country for a long time, and its about time he gets recognized for it.....This is a guy who while in the Hanoi Hilton was told that he could go home, but said no unless his fellow POW's went home with him, and then the NVA threw him in Solitary confinement for a year or so I think. Though I am pro-choice, I still like some of the issues he stands for, and i am all about not having taxes raised.

It also pisses me off how celebs say "ooo i want a democrat, tax me, tax me" F-That...no more taxes, i see what my parents go through just to pay the taxes in the town we live in, why should hillary or obama have the right to tax us more? Bill makes almost a million dollars per speaking engagement, its easy for a democrat to say "we will tax the wealthy/middle/upper middle class", politics is all BS anyways, it really is, The only real reason why i would like to see obama in office is so Al Sharpton Shuts up for 4 years.

But as said in other posts, I am a strong believer that the candidate who is running for the presidency should have served in the Military. But thats MHO.
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:21 PM   #229 (permalink)
 
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Now not to get off topic here or anything, but wasn't the original topic of this thread "Obama or Clinton?" Were we supposed to be debating the 2 Dems or all parties. Just wondering...
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:27 PM   #230 (permalink)
 
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I agree completely with Leejo's response.
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:31 PM   #231 (permalink)
 
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Let's play name that candidate. Each of these statements were said within the last week by one of the three presidential candidates with regard to two important issues - climate change and US-Israeli policy.

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“Instead of idly debating the precise extent of global warming, or the precise timeline of global warming, we need to deal with the central facts of rising temperatures, rising waters, and all the endless troubles that global warming will bring. We stand warned by serious and credible scientists across the world that time is short and the dangers are great.”
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“I think that the idea of a secure Jewish state is a fundamentally just idea, and a necessary idea, given not only world history but the active existence of anti-Semitism. That does not mean that I would agree with every action of the state of Israel."

"...the fundamental premise of Israel and the need to preserve a Jewish state that is secure is, I think, a just idea and one that should be supported here in the United States and around the world."

“What I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions.”
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:39 PM   #232 (permalink)
 
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So you don't understand that Oba-sama is a racist? What if McCain had used the term "typical black person" in an interview? His political career would be over and 90% of the black population would be screaming for blood. And yet we let Oba-sama get away with the exact same thing. His preacher is racist, he himself has made racist comments, that's more than enough for me to call him a racist.
Would you please explain your use of the term 'Oba-sama,' specifically what Osama Bin Laden has to do with with Barack Obama?
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Old 05-13-2008, 12:59 PM   #233 (permalink)
 
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Would you please explain your use of the term 'Oba-sama,' specifically what Osama Bin Laden has to do with with Barack Obama?
osama is barack's middle name i think, but those who relate him to bin laden just because of that, are both ignorant, and moronic....and probably shouldn't vote anyways because they will most likely write in "I.P. Freely" as a presidential candidate.
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Old 05-13-2008, 01:21 PM   #234 (permalink)
 
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osama is barack's middle name i think, but those who relate him to bin laden just because of that, are both ignorant, and moronic....and probably shouldn't vote anyways because they will most likely write in "I.P. Freely" as a presidential candidate.
Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein, though to some there is little difference. I'm not sure that people confusing his name or even his Muslim background (though he and his father renounced the faith long ago) are morons (as you say) as much as they are uninformed or ignorant of the facts.
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Old 05-13-2008, 01:32 PM   #235 (permalink)
 
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Obviously you are a Obama supporter, so my opinions on his ideas causing more terrorist treachery will mean little to you. I use the term in a condescending manner since I think very little of a man who cannot show respect for long standing tradition and respect for our flag and National Anthem.

Oh and candidate #1 is McCain, of course and I will assume that #2 is Obama.
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Old 05-13-2008, 01:44 PM   #236 (permalink)
 
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Obviously you are a Obama supporter, so my opinions on his ideas causing more terrorist treachery will mean little to you. I use the term in a condescending manner since I think very little of a man who cannot show respect for long standing tradition and respect for our flag and National Anthem.
I support all the candidates, and I don't think any of them should be called names or confused with known terrorists. I'm still confused by your remarks though - what ideas of his cause more terrorist treachery, and how does he not show respect for long standing tradition, the flag and the anthem? McCain has alluded to more war in many of his statements - how does that reduce 'terrorist treachery' and anti-US sentiment?

Obama is mostly a blank slate, which is one of the things that bothers me about him (while giving others hope, it seems). This is why it surprises me when anyone thinks a certain opinion or agenda can be pinned on him beyond that of general approach. McCain, too, has begun flattening his profile by issuing general statements like those on climate change. I don't think any of this can be used to typecast or define a candidate.

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Right - but of course we all know campaign speeches mean nothing, don't we?
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Old 05-13-2008, 02:10 PM   #237 (permalink)
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Off topic: an interesting fact is that global warming is still under scientific debate, and contrary to popular belief, has never been 'proven'.
On topic: the democratic party as a whole has been using semi-communist principles to gain support for the last four decades. All this talk about 'food for the poor' and 'a chicken in every pot' (Lyndon B. Johnson?), along with raised taxes for the rich is just a start to full-fledged Communism, and it leads to the same result: nobody gets richer or leads a better life, everyone gets poorer because the people who were rich before enormous tax raises get tired of working to give food to people who don't work for it, or pay them for it, even when they can. Clinton and Obama both support raised taxes on the "rich". What other president said that before he was elected? President Clinton (Bill) said that he would raise taxes on the rich, but he simply raised taxes on everyone except people who were poor enough to apply for 'free food and fundings' (welfare). No matter what some politicians may argue, IT DOESN'T WORK!!! It just leads to poverty for everyone, not wealth. I wish that anyone who believes that any democratic candidate will help this country in any significant way will seriously reconsider.
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Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein, though to some there is little difference. I'm not sure that people confusing his name or even his Muslim background (though he and his father renounced the faith long ago) are morons (as you say) as much as they are uninformed or ignorant of the facts.
i knew i should have googled it before i answered.....thanks for proving me wrong, and for showing me that i am also moronic.....

I believe though people draw the comparison due to his middle name, linking the two as evils, and also that obama rhymes with osama.....and those who do that are the ignorant ones, i am just an idiot for not taking 3 seconds and googling it, that will not happen again.

The question I have is, and maybe its just me, but in the last presidential election didn't the candidates already announce their V.P's?
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heres a humorous take on "Hell"irly's campaign.

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So you don't understand that Oba-sama is a racist? What if McCain had used the term "typical black person" in an interview? His political career would be over and 90% of the black population would be screaming for blood. And yet we let Oba-sama get away with the exact same thing. His preacher is racist, he himself has made racist comments, that's more than enough for me to call him a racist.
Is it really, really necessary to remind us constantly that Obama sounds a lot like Osama? Really? That's just ignorant and petty beyond belief. (Unless, of course, you're applying Japanese honorifics to his name, but I highly doubt that.)

Calling him racist because his preacher is racist is a bit stupid, in my opinion. People do not automatically share the same opinions as their mentors.

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No matter what some politicians may argue, IT DOESN'T WORK!!! It just leads to poverty for everyone, not wealth. I wish that anyone who believes that any democratic candidate will help this country in any significant way will seriously reconsider.
Really? Europe's higher standard of living, lower health care costs (and better health care), and fewer people in extreme poverty says otherwise.
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