Hambergler

If it weren't for Ralph Nader we wouldn't have had to endure the Bushmare.

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ScratchMonkey

OMG, you're right! We narrowly escaped the Goremare!

Either way, it would be a nightmare for those of us who favor limited government. I saw no value in voting for either. But for a few weeks, we had the hope that the election would carry into the House, and there'd be no President to rubber-stamp new government-growing legislation until the matter was settled. Alas, our hopes were dashed when SCOTUS resolved the issue and "saved" us from anarchy.

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Skylark

I have yet to hear anyone give any proof/evidence that the Rev was preaching racism/whatever on a regular basis. I am not a fan of the democrats, but I see 2 main possiblities
1) This was a comment that came out from left field or was taken badly out of context. In which case I think that Obama's initial comments/reactions were correct and valid.
2) The Rev was a crazy nut job who regularly spewed racism. In which case Obama is an idiot and a racist for staying there for a long time and not saying/doing anything.
Personally, I'm betting it is #1.


Still waiting for all those people who promised to leave the country if Bush won to get the heck out.

Hillary kind of worries me. When she said she would pull the troops out no matter what the generals said... she showed she didn't care about thinking about it. Then she said: We don't know what will happen if we pull the troops out. There are many possiblities. But we do know what will happen if we leave them there. NO! We do not. There are just as many possibilities either way. But she told a half truth and a half lie to make it seem like she knew what she was talking about. I hate it when people do that. I would have had some respect if she said this: "I think we should never have gone into this war. I think I was fooled into voting for and supporting the war earlier on by bush (which I don't think was true but I think Hillary believes it). Therefore I am going to pull our troops out because we should never have gone there in the first place." At least then she would have been at least somewhat honest.

Same here. I will say that I think he screwed up in his handling of some aspects of the war. He should have been a lot more honest. He should have stayed away from the whole torture thing. I think he fumbled the handling of the war. I think it was a good thing in theory. But I don't think he or anyone really sat down and tried to realize just how long, how much $ and how many lives it would take to truly make Iraq an independent nation that could protect itself from the crazies.


I agree with your above statements. That pretty well sums of up my feelings. I also agree with your basic statements on the Constitution.

But I don't think that laws should be in effect created by the judicial system. Some rulings that have come down seem to be more "We will now tell you what the law really is instead of just telling you that this is unconstitutional or whatever" I think that some people have decided on what the constitution REALLY means (in other words, their opinion) and tried to make that stick. One example is that whole seperation of church and state. The constitution doesn't say that the government can't have certain religious things occur. It just can't force everyone to take part. But it has been decided that since all religions aren't there, NONE of them will be. That's just silly, IMO.

I agree with Bullbloodr's statement about the houseing crisis. What? You borrowed way more money then you could pay back because you were hoping the house could be sold for a lot in a short time period? Sucks to be you then. Hey! If this is happening to real estate, then why don't we also figure someway to give the money back to everyone who bought stock and it went down! yeah! That wasn't fair!

This article gives support to whoever (sorry, too lazy to look back that many pages) said that it was dumb to vote for someone JUST because they were <category>.

So? if she is not the best candidate, then she is not the best candidate. She shouldn't win just because she is "your only chance!!!!" Wow! Same for Obama. He should win if he is the best, not just to get a black person in office. Voting for skylark is your only chance to get a TG player as president! Who cares if he is a nut! VOTE FOR HIM NOW DANG IT! I know that not everyone says this kind of thing about the two candidates. But the fact that some people ARE saying it is disturbing. I'd like to hear both candidates step up and say exactly that: Stop voting for us just because of our race/sex. Vote for us if we are the best candidate. But it ain't gonna happen.

The one problem with that is this:
What if, by voting for the third party person, you somehow help the person you LEAST want to win? Wow, I voted for St Michael, but because of that, Satan won the election! DANG IT!

I agree with you in principle, but it is also necessary to think about how your vote will effect the outcome. I may want Bob to win, but the people who vote for Bob are the same ones who would vote for Sam if Bob was not there. Because they vote for Bob, then Sam gets less votes and Joe wins. This really SUCKS if Joe is someone for whom you would shed no tear if wild porcupines shredded their epiglodis.



Summary:
I don't like Hillary. Many reasons.
I like Obama... he is Charismatic and comes across well (to me) but I don't like many/most of his positions.
I like McCain in some/many areas, but I don't like all of them.

I love Obama's idea for change. our system NEEDS to be changed. It needs to be broken out of this stupid deadlock of 2 parties. No really working together, just back and forth over the years trying to pass only their ideas instead of working out what is the best for everyone. If Obama actually could do that, I'd vote for him. But I don't think he can. Exactly how is he going to get the democrats and the republicans to actually work together? Come on.. really! They are entrenced and have their war gear on. They've been that way for a long, long time. And a single, charismatic person isn't going to change that. I know that is a cynical view, but I also think it is realistic.

So remember: vote skylark. I promise to work toward better server performance and more candy for everyone.

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CingularDuality

Hmmm... Senator Obama or Senator Clinton?

Let me put it to you this way:

If it ends up being Senator McCain v. Senator Clinton, I'm voting Republican.

If it ends up being Senator McCain v. Senator Obama, I'm voting Libertarian.

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Kerostasis

Interesting you should say that. I've got almost the same plan, but reversed: Repub for McCain vs Obama, Libertarian for McCain vs Clinton. Between the two of us then, I guess the vote total will be the same either way.

On the subject of Barrack's Reverend: I feel it is important to point out that Barrack's enemies did not have some guy with a camera watching Rev. Wright's sermons for the last 20 years to find the most egregious speeches to play on TV. Rev. Wright had his own sermons taped, and sold the best ones on his church website. I suppose it is possible he took himself out of context to make his sermons look better, but that still leaves you with a really warped view of what he considers his "best" sermons.

Note that most of Wright's sermons are no longer available from that website, which has since been pruned up to just the last week before Wright retired from preaching there, leaving a long string of "item no longer available" icons. However, you can still purchase his "35th anniversary collection" (which might be where the news soundsbites came from, although I'm not completely certain of that).

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leejo

Just keep your tv tuned to the news this fall. We'll be seeing plenty of the good reverend, I think.

I'm not sure how many times Rev. Wright needed to say some of the things he said.

On Italians: "Italians Look Down Their Garlic Noses-- Gave Jesus Public Lynching Italian Style"
On the Founding Fathers/white people/the US Government: “Asa lived his whole life under the oppressive heel of white supremacy.”

“Asa was born in a climate, a context and a country controlled by white supremacy. From its founding fathers some would say "fondling fathers" who defined Africans as non-persons, from its original government to its current government hell-bent on leaving every Black child behind”

“The government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse, from the Capitol to the Klan, white supremacy is clearly in charge,...”

Etc. This from a quick "obama wright founding fathers" search. Lots of hits there, too little time or care. 20 years listening to this man, giving him money, calling him a mentor....

Do I judge Obama by these statements? Yeah, sure. The same way I'd judge someone who'd attended Clan rallies for 20 years and listened to the hateful, illogical, and inflammatory speech there without a single example of having corrected those statements prior to running for office and getting caught up in the relationship.

Elwenil

And also, lets not forget that Rev. Wright isn't the only "advisor" that Obama has had over the years that has shown himself to at least have racist tendencies.

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leejo

Funny!

ScratchMonkey

I don't consider any of the three to be so bad that we can't afford to let that person win. Or, rather, all of them promote something I'm opposed to enough that I think they're all unsuitable. It's more like you gave me 3 demons to choose from and I voted for St Michael. Whichever demon wins, I get jabbed with a pitchfork. I don't care what color the pitchfork is.

BTW, does anyone remember the low regard with which McCain was held by Republicans until all the opposition melted away? Does anyone remember the same low regard held by past Presidents before they won their first nominations?

It's become the rule that you must vote for one major party's candidate because there's nothing so intolerable as letting the other major party win. This ratchet effect towards greater evil is why the system is as bad as it is.

I'd still love to see what would happen if there were no national primaries, just a big final election similar to the last California gubernatorial election, where we get to vote from the full slate of candidates, not just the survivors of an elimination process that favors "machine" candidates.

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War.mongeR1

Wow. Seriously. Wow. That must've been seriously embarrassing. That senator should have come onto the show a bit more prepared. Hahaha.

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leejo

More porn actors and publishers would run for high office?

leejo

Wrong Senator. The other senator should have done his job in the senate.

Kerostasis

I like the follow up question the guy asked at the very end: "In Obama's defense, can you name anything useful done by the Senate at all in the last few years?" I'm hard pressed to come up with an answer for that one.

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leejo

That's a good point! Other than their role in the $1800 tax rebate check I'm getting next month, I can't think of a thing.

ScratchMonkey

I voted for a prostitute for California attorney general. I'm in favor of more honesty in government.

http://www.normajeanalmodovar.com/mybio.html

Check the campaign poster link there (NSFW).

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