TOOmuchMcLovin

Now THAT film should be illegal, as the book (sarcasm) lol twisted


Ok fair enough, NZ gov has decided that r18 games shouldn't be sold to kids or in posesion of kids, though I wonder if the ppl of that country truly agree with it?

That being said, if your going to not allow kids to have certain types of vid games, then I guess its time to ban R (our american ranking for violent/sex filled...or in some cases just too much cursing for films) movies from being even seen by a 16 year old?? Well since we're on the track of shielding the children, NEXT would be cnn/bbc world news because of the iraq war coverage, or the sudan problems ect. THEN history books that talk graphically about what such monsters as hitler(he doesn't deserve capital H) did. We dont want them to ever know how violent humans are capable of being. BUT WAIT!!! [and this speaks of american issues] lets keep the kids in alcoholic homes with abusive parents!

I'm sorry but my niece sees me and her dad play an assortment of video games, and she KNOWS they are not real. She KNOWS that the guy on tv didn't really just get shot. Shes 5.

And reverend mclovin's speech is finished AMEN :P

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TheFeniX

Blue Laws are the government's (usually State or lower) way of enforcing a specific morality, usually religious in origin, on the average citizen. Texas had many blue laws in it's day, many of which have been repealed or are now unenforced. It essentially allows a majority religious sect to enforce it's belief system onto a religious minority, and were also a huge hassle to many business owners.

You still can't buy hard liqueur in Texas on a Sunday, yet you can sell beer and wine. Which is just idiocy.

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That reminds me of this story about my dad.
I'm like 13 years old. We're out playing basketball. This teenager in a hotrod comes roaring down our street at like 40-50 mph. Seriously. My dad, in one smooth motion spins and hurls the basketball at the car. It hits the driver's door perfectly at high speed. The car brakes, leaving a huge skidmark. The door open and the kid jumps out. My dad is already heading toward the car himself. The kid sees my dad, jumps back in and speeds off. We used to see that car a lot. NEver did after that. I personally wanted to see the kid handle my dad. Lt Col in army, rangers. Fun fun.

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Razcsak

While the kid needs a lesson, I'm sure that startling a young, inexperienced driver moving at high speeds is certainly the way to handle the situation.

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I'd love a speed bump on my street. I lost my two pickups to some idiot in a recently-purchased Vette who wiped out into them at very high speed. Fortunately on the side of the street with no houses, late at night, no kids around. (Kids are always in the street here, even at night.) (I so miss my trucks. Ancient things that were great for hauling stuff.)

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It should be noted, however, that certain blue laws that have exceeded their usefulness continue to contribute to the overall character of a city/county/neighborhood long past the time when anyone can remember what the point was in the first place. Case in point, Bergen county, NJ closes 80% of businesses on Sundays. Despite the fact that this drives shoppers to neighboring areas or designated commerce zones, and that the population there is no longer predominantly Christian or particularly observant, the blue laws continue to get renewed after every referendum because people feel that it keeps traffic down, or contributes to the uniqueness of the town, or it just happens to make good business sense for those few places that DO remain open on Sundays.

This NZ law sounds like rank unenforceable moralizing, though. What's the bleeding point?

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Fenian420

The laws do seem pretty unconstitutional though and along with being anti capitalistic as it would seem.. So blue laws would enable things like the "Church of Scientology" to actually carry out stuff?

CingularDuality

Unconstitutional? Wha?

You think that communities should not be able to pass laws that their community wants?

I cannot comprehend why you would say such a thing.

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Fenian420

I think that it would be unconstitutional along the lines of that this would restrict a person to do as s/he pleases because a greater group of people are opposed to it. No scientific evidence shows that this makes kids messed up in the long run = no reason to make it illegal IMO.. I'm sure that scientific evidence would conclude that it does make the kids go slightly off but until its shown..... keep it legal.

I mean if its just something that one religious group or culture does within its own community then sure go ahead but dont make people who aren't involved in that be a part of it as well (if that makes any sense).

(Sorry about using the bigger words, just got done with chemistry homework.. feelin all intelligent.)

CingularDuality

What in the world does scientific evidence have to do with the constitutionality of a law?

If a town decides to pass a law that says you can't paint your house purple or pink, is that OK?

What if a town decides to pass a law that says that when you're driving, that you have to stop at signs that say "stop" on them?

What if a town decides to pass a law that says you may drive 69 miles per hour, but not 71 miles per hour?

And what if I live in that town and I don't want to be a part of any of those laws? Does that make them unconstitutional?

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Fenian420

I'm saying that laws arent put in place for no reason.. You stop at a stop sign because it drasticlly cuts down the risk of car crashes/injury/death.

If theirs no proof that 14 year olds playing M games messes with their mind in the later run or hours after they play it then why make it illegal for a 14 year old to play that game?

The decisions of a few angry parents/customers/sellers shouldnt affect anything except others' opinions. If people dont want their kids to be playing GTA4 then they can go ahead and prohibit their kids from playing that, but telling other parents that theyre not allowed to let their own kids play that game then I'm saying that IMO thats violating your rights as a person.. Alright I see that I shouldve said something like its unpatriotic and against the United States Bill of Rights but I guess growing up and in middle school Ive kind of seen it all going under the same category.

And although this law doesnt directly intend that its illegal for people under 18 to play the game I think we would all agree that thats what they're trying to get at which in my mind is like theyre telling you that you cannot do a certain something on your own property in your own residence (assuming that you wont be playing GTA4 at a community center).

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Birdman1011395

For those curious, here's how the New Zealand ratings (they call it "Censorship" ) system breaks down in relation to the MPAA ratings.

There are three ratings that are guidelines for who should be watching/play, G, PG, M. These are similiar to our G, PG, and PG-13ish (Mature means that it may not be suitable). Books, magazines and other publications are not required to display their ratings.

The rating of R can be equivalent to our R rating here, but it depends. The OFLC R is a restrictive rating that (as far as I can tell) allows the "censor" to define they own Restrictive rating for a certain move/book/game.

And now for the fun ones. There are 4 different and distinct NC-17 (or for you old schoolers out there, X) ratings. These ratings are R13, R15, R16, and R18, and, like NC-17, ban anyone under the respective ages from being shown or supplied (their words) this material.

If I fail to conver this system all the info can be found on this webpage.

Now I haven't played GTA IV yet but based on GTA3, etc. and the knowledge that the graphics are good I could understand how Rockstar vision might be rating as such. But the knowledge that that version was deemed "Objectionable" (see US legal definition of "pornographic"), and thus banned from the shores of Australia and New Zealand and that it is the "Australian censor" that received this rating boggles my mind. I know that the Australian rating for GTA IV is MA15+, which allows someone under fifteen to purchase and play the game with parental consent.

So yeah, I hope that clears up a few things about the OFLC.

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ScratchMonkey

Those angry parents are sure that the material is going to cause terrible things to happen to their little darlings, and Something Must Be Done! They already have all the proof they need. Some pundit or yellow journalist told them so and therefore it must be true.

There's a lot of stupid law that's written in the wake of panic and hysteria. The PATRIOT act comes to mind. Everyone with a special interest will jam their agenda into a bill that gets virtually no review by those voting on it.

BTW, doesn't Australia have nude or topless beaches? How can we allow Americans to go to such an unsavory place? (Although I hear it's good for your prostate. )

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Because there are nude beaches right here in the US... So which is good for my prostate, going to Australia or nude beaches ???

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CingularDuality

The rest of your post matters not, but you're correct here. Laws are put in place for a great reason: because we, the people, want them. I'm not talking about any particular legislation, because, as Scratch pointed out, we all have our own opinions about the imperfection of our government. But, overall, the laws in our country reflect the will of the people.

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