Sirusblk

It's the same license, they're not asking for a special gay marriage license, they're asking for a simple marriage license, if anything I bet gay people would prefer the same marriage license everyone else gets. I fail to see how gays want something other than a marriage license which we're able to get.

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Kerostasis

They're able to get a marriage license too. The same one as everyone else. What you're apparently missing is that "the same one as everyone else" has a space for "husband" and a space for "wife", but doesn't have two of either.

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Sirusblk

Ok fair enough, I see your point. But really the whole argument for gay marriage boils down to whether we can change wife to husband or vice versa? Common, on my ballet I mark in the census field my race... how offensive is that?

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Kerostasis

I'm sorry, say that last sentence again? I don't quite follow.

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Sirusblk

Ok remember in school how they asked your race? The census regularly asks your race. Is that offensive? I don't see why changing the word husband to wife or vice versa would be offensive and cause that many problems.

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Kerostasis

Ah, I see where you're going with that. But that argument plays to a different question. When the law comes up for a vote, and the people and/or congress are deciding whether or not they want to allow gays to marry, then your argument makes perfect sense. But we already had that vote, and the other side won, and passed a law that says the form will continue to say "husband" and "wife".

Now we've moved on to the second question -- do the people even have the power to pass that law? Or is it unconstitutional and invalid? And questions about how offensive gay marriage may or may not be really don't have much to do with whether or not it's unconstitutional.

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ScratchMonkey

Apparently the California marriage license doesn't just have "husband" and "wife". There's also a requirement for one male and one female witness. And it's apparently up to some bureacracy to decide what goes on the form. It's not actually written in a law. (It's become a fad for legislative bodies to defer the details to unelected officials, as a way to avoid responsibility for the actual results of their feel-good "solutions".)

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Switchcraft

Bob Barr eating cheese made from Borat's wife's breast milk.

And a link to various discussions about him.