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09-18-2008, 12:40 PM #511
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It certainly appears that a law has been broken. It would be very nice if illegal activities were taken seriously by all and a few fewer adults acted like smirking teenagers. If YOU want a clean campaign, then act like a grown-up when something like this happens. This is the sort of activity that cannot be tolerated if we want a free society.
If you truly want Republicans to develop and use these skills during elections, I'm sure that can be done, and will be done if this behavior becomes the left's MO. That would be unfortunate.
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09-18-2008, 12:45 PM #512
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Another update to the story just posted:
Sarah Palin's Email Hackers' Sloppy Work Could Lead to Their Arrests
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09-18-2008, 01:11 PM #513
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Ha! Yes these folks don't seem to have been terribly smart. A smarter hacker wouldn't have revealed their penetration until they had to. A smarter hacker would have released the information contained in the emails, waited for the usual denials, and then released the damning evidence. No need to reveal how you got it. Etc. Very selfish and silly, yet dangerous, behavior.
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09-18-2008, 01:35 PM #514
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Of course my comments were made in jest, so calm down. Of course a law has been broken - I'm sure numerous laws. Other laws have been circumvented - such as public records laws - which seems to be a disturbing pattern among certain memebers of the republican party.
None of this activity should be tolerated - by hacker punks or by an overzealous government agency that believes warrants are not needed for invasions of citizen privacy, which as I said before I've experienced first hand and has been well documented elsewhere. Her campaign is now shouting about 'putting government on your side,' but will they support the OLC reporting act to introduce more transparency regarding executive secrecy? Are her and McCain prepared to bring that kind of change to Washington? I doubt it. Whose side is this pro-life (now confirmed, in her email, as first and foremost), pro-gun, pro-creation, anti-sex education/pro-abstinence, pro-earmark, pro-privitization, anti-regulation candidate on? Not mine.
If you vote for her ticket because she's a perky hockey mom with a down home accent, you've been duped in the worst way. If you vote for her ticket because you support her stance on domestic issues (she has no known stance on international issues) or just want tax cuts, best of luck to you, because the only kind of 'change' that will bring to Washington will be the drapes in the White House.
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09-18-2008, 01:55 PM #515
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Can I vote for her ticket because of my thoughts on McCain vs. my thoughts on Obama? You (plural) simply can't resist trying to make this campaign about Palin? Like I said, y'all are like a bull attacking a red cape, seemingly unaware that the threat isn't the cape, it's the man.
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09-18-2008, 01:56 PM #516
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I still find it funny.
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09-18-2008, 02:20 PM #517
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You are the one being silly.
You used the word "terrorism" with regard to this act. And you also said that poor republicans are the target of the evil doers. You took it to such a ridiculous level, almost to the point of a National Security issue. I took your silliness and ran with it.
This act is not a horrible thing that must be hunted down with CIA operatives. It is more like graffiti or kids breaking into school to cause some havoc. Of course the perpetrators should be tracked down and punished. Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
These people, whoever they are, did not break into the DoD and obtain nuclear launch codes. They got into an Yahoo! email account. Probably by scanning unencrypted traffic to get her password because she accesses the pop service and doesn't use the security Yahoo! recommends. Or they used some good old fashion social engineering. No weapons where used, no lives threatened. And actually very little harm done. Doesn't make it right or acceptable but it surely is not on par with a physical assault.
There is no indication whatsoever that it was instigated by the Democrats. You seem to really, really want to make this connection for your own personal reasons. Then you say if the Democrats keep doing this the then the Republicans will start. Nixon is the granddaddy of this all and he is what? Come on, you can say it. It will only hurt for a second.
Listen. I said earlier it is either a hoax or it is a invasion of privacy. Invasion of privacy is not a haha phrase, is it? I think it is a pretty serious statement.I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host.
- "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt
- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
- "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta
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09-18-2008, 02:45 PM #518
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Yes I did. I imagine that if a series of Democratic candidates had been attacked in this manner we'd be hearing all about terrorism, and if there turned out to be a relationship between the hackers and a campaign using their services or providing them any support, I'd agree with them.
I never took it to this ridiculous level of national security. But I have noticed a pattern of Republican candidates' websites hacked, ssn and credit reports stolen, and now emails hacked. I have not seen examples of Democratic candidates being subjected to the same attacks.And you also said that poor republicans are the target of the evil doers. You took it to such a ridiculous level, almost to the point of a National Security issue. I took your silliness and ran with it.
Actually it's like someone breaking federal laws in order to affect the outcome of a national election. I do take this very seriously. Who are these people and do we really want them either 1. swinging an election to their preferred side or 2. so offending swing voters that the election swings away from a candidate who they may support but who had no knowledge of their actions and is also offended by them?This act is not a horrible thing that must be hunted down with CIA operatives. It is more like graffiti or kids breaking into school to cause some havoc.
No, you just laugh about it and trivialize it.Of course the perpetrators should be tracked down and punished. Nobody is suggesting otherwise.
Of course it's not like a physical assault. It's like Watergate. Some jerks conducted illegal activities in order to gain an advantage for one side in a US Presidential election. What remains to be seen is if there was any connection to the top and if so what actions the top takes.These people, whoever they are, did not break into the DoD and obtain nuclear launch codes. They got into an Yahoo! email account. Probably by scanning unencrypted traffic to get her password because she accesses the pop service and doesn't use the security Yahoo! recommends. Or they used some good old fashion social engineering. No weapons where used, no lives threatened. And actually very little harm done. Doesn't make it right or acceptable but it surely is not on par with a physical assault.
Au contraire. It most certainly was not instigated by the Republicans. It is very unlikely that the Green Party did this. Means, motive, and opportunity point to Obama's volunteer band of internet cowboys, surfing the forums for this or that and responding to shape the conversation. This is not to imply that anyone received direction from Obama to hack anyone email account, but does anyone really think that these people are anyone but Obama supporters?There is no indication whatsoever that it was instigated by the Democrats.
Nixon broke the law and was correctly run out of office for it. Campaigns are little wars that get fought and this sort of covert, illegal hacking will either be crushed out of existence or all sides will adopt these tactics. I'm just making a prediction, not a judgment.You seem to really, really want to make this connection for your own personal reasons. Then you say if the Democrats keep doing this the then the Republicans will start. Nixon is the granddaddy of this all and he is what? Come on, you can say it. It will only hurt for a second.
If someone hacks MY email account, it's an invasion of privacy. If someone hacks a presidential candidate's email account and publishes their findings to a web site that attacks that candidate, then it's not an invasion of privacy, it's an attempt to alter the outcome of a national election.Listen. I said earlier it is either a hoax or it is a invasion of privacy. Invasion of privacy is not a haha phrase, is it? I think it is a pretty serious statement.
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09-18-2008, 03:03 PM #519
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09-18-2008, 03:34 PM #520
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O leejo.
I might take you seriously for just a second if I wasn't very certain that the anger and concern you display would disappear like the WMDs in Iraq had this been done to Biden.I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host.
- "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt
- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
- "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta
- If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette
- "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving." -Friedrich Hayek
- "Don't waist your time on me your already the voice inside my head." Blink 182 to my wife
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09-18-2008, 03:43 PM #521
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Palin and McCain are unified as far as I'm concerned. To attack one is to attack the other, and certainly to vote for one is to vote for the other. Also, this is the Palin thread, isn't it?
But sure, let's look at (or attack) the man, but you have to agree that the man isn't McCain anymore. He sold his soul, he sold out. I do realize this is a natural evolution in politic, and will agree that Obama's not the same Obama anymore either. McCain stands out, though, because his track record as a moderate reformer has been absolutely shattered by the way his campaign has played out. In the past he's denounced Jerry Falwell and religion in politics as well as spoken out and voted against Bush and many of his policies, such as tax cuts for the wealthiest 5% of Americans. He's reversed course on all of this, and the Palin nomination is a confirmation of that. Furthermore, his (or his campaign's) loose work with facts doesn't lend too much weight to the credibility column. I used to say there were things I liked about McCain, and I'm struggling to find those things anymore.
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09-18-2008, 03:45 PM #522
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09-18-2008, 03:49 PM #523
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I think you're looking at the situation through very partisan eyes. McCain isn't seen to have had his moderate reformer reputation shattered, I don't think. Recent polls that show him in the lead seem to indicate that you need to revise your theories about how the campaign is framing either candidate.
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09-18-2008, 04:22 PM #524
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The McCain/Palin ticket doesn't match the McCain candidate of 2004, or the McCain senator of 2000-2007, and possibly even prior on issues of tax cuts for the wealthy few and government involvement in civil affairs (abortion, gay rights, health care). That's simple fact. Public opinion may say otherwise, but that's public opinion of politics. Which is more truthful?
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09-18-2008, 04:39 PM #525
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I think a chicken's opinion of the McCain candidacy would have several advantages over yours. At least it would be objective.
Edit: Which isn't meant to imply that a chicken is smarter than you. A chicken's opinion on stocks is a random opinion.Last edited by leejo; 09-18-2008 at 05:22 PM.
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