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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpYI2AoIGw[/media]

    Yeah...

    When choosing people for a job I often choose people who have no idea what the job entails. Such minor details.

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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Dog View Post
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpYI2AoIGw[/media]

    Yeah...

    When choosing people for a job I often choose people who have no idea what the job entails. Such minor details.
    Why don't you tell us all exactly what you think the job entails?

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    I'm not involved in politics or running on the McCain bill. I'm really more concerned about what SHE thinks the job entails.

    I bet Biden could tell me!

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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    Quote Originally Posted by chris934 View Post
    Word. The kids that play street hockey on my street dont get paid and they have cars coming at them. NHL players dont get a pay raise until they have to start dodging honda civics.

    But seriously we pay people huge amounts of money for stuff like sports and modeling when im sure real people like (scientists, teachers, construction workers etc...) get paid a depressingly low amount. Where do we get priorities from?

    The last thing i want is a VP that got her college cash from modeling. All that shows is that she wasnt smart enough to win an essay contest or something that smart people do to get scholarships. (sorry if thats harsh but thats how i feel.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Dog View Post
    I'm not involved in politics or running on the McCain bill. I'm really more concerned about what SHE thinks the job entails.

    I bet Biden could tell me!
    Is that how you vote for President, too? What they think the job entails? Or do you have an idea of what the President does?

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    I vote for the candidate I feel is fit for the position. When a candidate openly admits that they have no idea what the job entails, as a voter, I have to wonder if the candidate is fit for the position.

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    And since you have no idea what the position entails, your feelings of "fit for the position" are probably far more based on party affiliation than any real grasp of actual ability to do the job, yes?

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    Why do you assume I have no idea what the position entails? I might not be a politician myself, I don't have a degree in political sciences or constitutional law, but I'm not a moron. And please don't assume me to be one. This isn't about me, this is about a vote for the leader of the free world for the next 4 years. It's about an economic and energy crisis. Strained global relations. War. The future of my children. So don't sir, pretend me to be a fool simply because I call her out on her own statements. There is a particular caliber of politician I do want leading our nation...she is not it. I'm entitled to this right as a voter to use discretion when voting for a candidate.

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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchcraft View Post
    And since you have no idea what the position entails, your feelings of "fit for the position" are probably far more based on party affiliation than any real grasp of actual ability to do the job, yes?
    As is most peoples', yes. I'll talk about experience and such, but I'm enough of an ideologue that really what I'll vote for is the person who agrees with my views. There is no way I'd ever end up voting for a Republican ticket, even if the Democrat was a mewling twenty year old who somehow managed to parrot party lines. I'd either not vote or would throw one at a third party in that case. I'd guess that far more people vote that way than would admit.

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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    This was a brilliant move by McCain.

    All the talk has been about Palin, very little about the DNC.

    Absolutely brilliant!

    Not only that but I understand that McCain first was floating Lieberman, and after the party elite threw a hissy fit about that choice he was able to bring Palin in with almost no problems.

    I really didn't think McCain had this kind of guile in him.
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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    Quote Originally Posted by CingularDuality View Post
    Wha? Are you completely ignoring the fact that President Reagan and President Bush were both governors before elected, while Senator Obama has led, well, wait, what has he run? Not an entire state, I know. A company? A platoon? A boy scout troop? Anything? Has Senator Obama ever been in charge of any organization?

    Again, I don't think this is particularly indicative of his presidential potential, but I must agree with the others about 'experience' only hurting the Obama Campaign.
    I meant to say foreign policy experience. Of course few presidents have real foreign policy experience.

    And can anybody, except maybe a VP, have credible experience when it comes to the presidency?

    Plus to me the whole experience thing is curious. On the one hand we want somebody experienced. On the other we don't want a inside the beltway type.

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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    I found a longer clip of that interview with Governor Palin, and I think it provides some more context leading up to what she said:
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA[/media]

    Looking at that, I get the impression what she's saying is she wouldn't address the VP issue until they told her exactly what it is she personally would be doing. Since the VP spot is largely ceremonial, I suppose if someone was looking to make an impact the VP spot might not be all that attractive. There's no reason to go be someone else's mouthpiece when you can promote your own policies as Governor. She's got a record of taking on Republicans and Democrats, and has an 80% approval rating in her state. She doesn't need the VP spot at all.

    I wouldn't be surprised if she got offered an opportunity to help shape energy policy. She's negotiated oil deals, pissed off oil companies, gotten trade agreements with foreign oil companies worked out, and probably knows more about oil production than anyone else running. And for once, it's pretty apparent to me that her knowledge of dealing with the oil industry is not the the kind of experience that makes her a target of accusations of being in their pocket.

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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    It's funny to compare the introduction of Sarah Palin with the announcement of a new game expansion or patch. Within days, opinions line up along predictable frameworks. Those inclined to dislike the changes find excuses to despise it and those inclined to like it find reasons to exult in it. There is no middle ground, there is no doubt once opinions have been solidified.

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    Re: The Sarah Palin corner of the Sandbox!

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchcraft View Post
    I found a longer clip of that interview with Governor Palin, and I think it provides some more context leading up to what she said:
    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA[/media]

    Looking at that, I get the impression what she's saying is she wouldn't address the VP issue until they told her exactly what it is she personally would be doing. Since the VP spot is largely ceremonial, I suppose if someone was looking to make an impact the VP spot might not be all that attractive. There's no reason to go be someone else's mouthpiece when you can promote your own policies as Governor. She's got a record of taking on Republicans and Democrats, and has an 80% approval rating in her state. She doesn't need the VP spot at all.

    I wouldn't be surprised if she got offered an opportunity to help shape energy policy. She's negotiated oil deals, pissed off oil companies, gotten trade agreements with foreign oil companies worked out, and probably knows more about oil production than anyone else running. And for once, it's pretty apparent to me that her knowledge of dealing with the oil industry is not the the kind of experience that makes her a target of accusations of being in their pocket.

    No switch the VP spot is not "largely ceremonial". She would be traveling all around the world talking with foreign leaders and advancing americas agenda. (and with that voice annoying people around the world). How can you accuse atomicdog of not knowing what the VP does when you dont truly grasp the vp's importance?

    Basicly your argument for electing this woman as the VP is "well she wont be doing anything so it doesn't matter that she has no experience, or has been involved in several scandals in her less then two years in office".

    My favorite thing her supporters have been saying is (im not saying your saying this so bear with me) "OMG look shes a mother, you go girl, shes totally a hot soccer mom just like me". Palin is a terrible mother. I said it and i wont apologize. This woman has 5 kids and a newborn and shes going to be the VP and travel all around the world? how irresponsible can you be. Having 5 kids is nearly a full time job anyway but to add Vice president to the agenda how can you be expected to do a good job? This woman is selfish because she knows just as well as i do that shes just a gimmic to get some woman to vote for McCain.
    Shes willing to risk the nation and her children to be a marketing ploy for a deperate mcCain. Thats not the kind of person i want waiting in line to be the next leader of my country.

    Im sure the republicans had plenty of others more qualified for the job. But they went with (supposedly) attractive white lady with 5 kids, who has 80% popularity in a state where moose outnumber people. And the scary thing is McCain may get a boost from this.

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    No switch the VP spot is not "largely ceremonial". She would be traveling all around the world talking with foreign leaders and advancing americas agenda. (and with that voice annoying people around the world). How can you accuse atomicdog of not knowing what the VP does when you dont truly grasp the vp's importance?
    Maybe your definition of ceremonial and mine are different. People who give speeches and represent others are, in effect, in ceremonial positions. With the exception of a couple of Constitutionally defined duties, her real authority would be quite limited.

    I didn't accuse Atomic of not knowing something, I asked his opinion and he responded with by demurring and claiming Biden could tell him. If he wanted to give someone an impression other than he didn't know the answer, I'm sure he could have chosen different words, just like he has done since.

    As far as my grasp of the Vice President's importance, I stand by my statement. The Vice Presidency is not necessarily a position of authority, and the office's influence on the government will be largely decided by the President. Advancing the President's agenda is certainly something the VP will do. I never said that wasn't important. But while on the subject, could you please grasp the importance of spell check?
    Basicly your argument for electing this woman as the VP is "well she wont be doing anything so it doesn't matter that she has no experience, or has been involved in several scandals in her less then two years in office".
    That would presuppose I've argued for electing McCain, something I don't believe I have done. Assuming I had argued for such a thing, I didn't say "she won't be doing anything, so it doesn't matter that she has no experience." I said based on the context of that interview, I took her comments to mean to mean she wouldn't choose to take the VP slot without having the campaign give her the assurance that she would be more than just an administration's mouthpiece. Note that you turned around and talked about how important being a mouthpiece is, but that doesn't change what I was referring to, which is that she's a reformer who has taken on Republicans and Democrats and managed to still achieve an 80% approval rating this July.

    As far as scandals, I'll need more than "involved in several scandals" to disparage anyone. So far she's holding her own, when you have evidence of misconduct you can go ahead and bring it.

    My favorite thing her supporters have been saying is (im not saying your saying this so bear with me) "OMG look shes a mother, you go girl, shes totally a hot soccer mom just like me". Palin is a terrible mother. I said it and i wont apologize. This woman has 5 kids and a newborn and shes going to be the VP and travel all around the world? how irresponsible can you be. Having 5 kids is nearly a full time job anyway but to add Vice president to the agenda how can you be expected to do a good job? This woman is selfish because she knows just as well as i do that shes just a gimmic to get some woman to vote for McCain.
    Shes willing to risk the nation and her children to be a marketing ploy for a deperate mcCain. Thats not the kind of person i want waiting in line to be the next leader of my country.
    Got it, no body who paid for their own college (not getting an academic scholarship proves stupidity, right?) and nobody who has children. I assume that applies to men as well as women, of course.

    Im sure the republicans had plenty of others more qualified for the job. But they went with (supposedly) attractive white lady with 5 kids, who has 80% popularity in a state where moose outnumber people. And the scary thing is McCain may get a boost from this.
    And Obama chose a Senator who cheated in law school, and has publicly lied about his class standing. Who once said after September 11th we should make Arabs happy by giving $200 million dollars to Iran, which isn't even an Arab country. I'm not actually going to make fun of his being from Delaware, I find that sort of talk crass and insulting. She is the governor of a state that has a budget larger than Arkansas did under Bill Clinton. But even if it was the smallest state, the fact is those are Americans living there, and their voices count.

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