Which are you? - Page 3

**CingularDuality** · 01-09-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

To be honest Cing, I would be a lot more "for" the idea of home protection etc. if everyone was required to do a period of mandatory military service, and be on a reserve army like in Switzerland. This is just based from what I've read today regarding Switzerland.

This is IMO, the very reason they have high numbers of guns and very low gun related crime. To use your own original post, everyone is a "potential sheepdog", but the part I agree with is that they would have a much higher level of training than the average "Joe Public" does now.

In Switzerland, everyone is potentially a "sheepdog" you can trust to handle and shoot properly and safely.

Agreed. Like Wolfie says, taking guns away from good people does nothing but make a target rich environment for criminals that pay no attention to gun laws anyway...

**DudeMan** · 01-10-2005, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by leejo

This charming post reminds me of another you recently made:

*sigh*

oh dear i managed to annoy leejo.

yeah whatever im heartbroken.

**leejo** · 01-10-2005, 09:37 AM

No you didn't annoy me, you just showed your colors for the thousandth time. For someone who has a hissy fit at the slightest provocation and demands to be treated with utmost respect at all times, you seem to feel free to turn around and take a piss on any post or person you please, as if you had the right.

You want to have people treat you with respect? Show some.

In response to Cing's post, did you find his point questionable? Would you like more information? Do you disagree?

**DudeMan** · 01-10-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leejo

No you didn't annoy me, you just showed your colors for the thousandth time. For someone who has a hissy fit at the slightest provocation and demands to be treated with utmost respect at all times, you seem to feel free to turn around and take a piss on any post or person you please, as if you had the right.

You want to have people treat you with respect? Show some.

In response to Cing's post, did you find his point questionable? Would you like more information? Do you disagree?

i dont care in the slightest anything you say leejo, you and certain others in this forum command no respect and i am fed up trying to argue that. in short i dont care much for your opinions at all, you of all people start fights for the sake of it.

and yes it is personal.

**leejo** · 01-10-2005, 03:04 PM

It's not personal with me. I just wish you'd settle down some.

**CingularDuality** · 06-20-2005, 05:25 AM

Got a PM recently that made me want to bump this.

Bump it for the original topic, NOT for the silly arguments...

**TheFeniX** · 06-20-2005, 10:48 AM

In the past few months, I have been learning IDPA and IPSC style shooting in the hope of becoming better able to defend myself and those close to me. I've come to realize that after years of shooting pistols, I know next to nothing about how to most effectively fire them in a combat situation. That's ok though, because I'm learning.

But, in the course of explaining when I've learned to people I talk to, I get all sorts of questions I find weird and some comments that annoy me. Most people ask me if I'm a police officer. When I inform them that I'm not and that my job has nothing to do with law enforcement or security, they act as though it's weird for someone to learn to defend themselves in this way.

Of course, these are probably the same people that would claim, since they took a Tae-Bo class, they feel confident in being able to defend themselves. People that are used to seeing the good guys come through a hail of bullets unharmed and proceed to fight the main badguy in some mano-a-mano hand-to-hand BS that just doesn't happen in real life. The same people who always claims "that will never happen to me" when watching the news.

I choose to learn this because I feel it's my duty and it costs me little in the scope of things (I enjoy doing it, but the money is Hell). I will hopefully never have to draw my pistol in defense of my person or others. I put it in the same area as wearing my seatbelt: I may never need it, but it's a damn good thing to have on you.

I think it primarily comes down to fear. It's not a hard connection to make. People routinely inform me they're afraid of guns, that's why they never learned how they work. Well, I was afraid of jumping behind the wheel of a 2-ton death machine called a car. But in the hands of an experienced and level headed person, neither is all the dangerous.

MileHighAko · 06-20-2005, 03:55 PM

Some time last year I was having dinner with a good friend of mine who is a deputy sheriff here in Colorado. I asked him what the worst thing about being a cop was. He said, “The worst thing? The worst thing is dealing with people that do not take responsibility for their own safety.” We talked a lot about how some of the most back changes in a person’s behavior can nearly guarantee that they will not become a victim of a violent crime. It had a big impact on me.

Since that time I became serious about my responsibility for my own well being. Lets face it, how many times do the police actually stop a crime in progress? They do a great job at preventing crime, and they spend most of their time investigating and handling crime after it has occurred, but stopping a crime while it is being committed isn’t something that happens very often. That’s just a fact of life. Which means that I personally have two options: I can be a victim and allow my family to be victimized, or I can be a sheepdog and stand up for myself and my family.

I refuse to be a victim.

Since last year I have started learning a lot about self defense, including defensive use of a handgun. My job has nothing to do with law enforcement, but that doesn’t prevent me from carrying a handgun, safely, legally, and concealed pretty much 24/7. I pray that I will never have to use it. But I won’t hesitate to protect myself, my family, and my fellow man from the wolf if it comes down to it. In the past several months I have learned a lot about myself. I find that I am a much more polite person. I am less hesitant to get into any type of argument or put myself in positions where that might happen. I am much more law abiding. And I am much more aware of the personal situations I am in all day long. I am a believer that an armed society is a polite society.

Bottom line is that I agree with the original post. It is up to you to take responsibility for your life. I wouldn’t have considered calling myself a sheepdog, but maybe that is a good description for it.

Buck Fush · 06-20-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

not to mention its still americans kill more americans than Brits kill Brits.

Has anyone even stopped to consider the fact that there are probably just more Americans than Brits that need killing?

**DudeMan** · 06-20-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck Fush

Has anyone even stopped to consider the fact that there are probably just more Americans than Brits that need killing?

even though cing tried the topic, sorry...

but im sorry come again, there are more americans that NEED killing... ha we agree..... lmao.... i think that came out wrong didnt it? ha ha

**TheFeniX** · 06-20-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

but im sorry come again, there are more americans that NEED killing... ha we agree..... lmao.... i think that came out wrong didnt it? ha ha

I'd be surprised if it was anyone else posting this.

I'm also not surprised you provided statistics with no link to the actual article for your "Americans are killing more Americans than Brits killing Brits" comment.

**DudeMan** · 06-20-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I'd be surprised if it was anyone else posting this.

I'm also not surprised you provided statistics with no link to the actual article for your "Americans are killing more Americans than Brits killing Brits" comment.

oh booo hooo, sorry fush, not allowed to have a game with you mate coz poor old fenix has hurt feelings... you see he is american and this comment, whatever its context, comming from a brit demands swift action...

YAWN...

if your quite finished rambling on trying to cause yet another dispute which cing ask to be left alone you may want to rethink your stance here, although you can go ahead if you like. makes no difference to me,

**TheFeniX** · 06-20-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

oh booo hooo, sorry fush, not allowed to have a game with you mate coz poor old fenix has hurt feelings... you see he is american and this comment, whatever its context, comming from a brit demands swift action...

You're living on the moon if you think you're capable of hurting my feelings. And if someone had made the comment "Yea, I think Brits getting killed is a great idea," you'd burst a blood vessel. As I said, in my last post: I've come to expect this attitude from you.

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if your quite finished rambling on trying to cause yet another dispute which cing ask to be left alone you may want to rethink your stance here, although you can go ahead if you like. makes no difference to me,

I caused the dispute? That's pretty funny considering the only reason you came back into the thread was to respond to Buck's obvious joke, by reiterating that you take it seriously and agree with it. I think you may have some dyslexia in the "Cause and Effect" area.

**DudeMan** · 06-20-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

You're living on the moon if you think you're capable of hurting my feelings. And if someone had made the comment "Yea, I think Brits getting killed is a great idea," you'd burst a blood vessel. As I said, in my last post: I've come to expect this attitude from you.

I caused the dispute? That's pretty funny considering the only reason you came back into the thread was to respond to Buck's obvious joke, by reiterating that you take it seriously and agree with it. I think you may have some dyslexia in the "Cause and Effect" area.

see you dont read, read the bloody posts and you will be clued in...

i said, he made a mistake with his wording, implying that more americans needed killing, in what i thought he meant was, per population this is more likly, i.e, america has so many more people that the UK that more killings is not a surprise. which is 100% true.

i highlighted the (alledged) mistake, by attempting to joke with him saying oh yeah kill more americans tee hee..

but you jumped in on the offensive, hurled out implications of what i meant, and went into stubben mode.

well sorry to step on your day.

shroompicker · 06-20-2005, 07:16 PM

Everyone, will you READ Cig's post?

Actually, the way you're acting, Cig, you seem to have not read your own post either! You're trying to convert a sheep into a sheepdog, the story says that this is impossible. DudeMan doesn't have the power to take your weapon away from you. He's not even in this country, and if he were, I doubt he ever would be. Those people in positions that do have the power to take your weapon away from you are either wolves of sheepdogs themselves, sheep can't make it.

The only time I see people like that do have a say is as a juror. It's never a clear shoot / no-shoot case, in fact it's always a case where you'd wish you as a juror could throw all the defendants and the prosection's "victims" into jail. The lawyers select an even mix of extremist kool-aid drinkers on both sides of the fence, and put them in the pit to fight. Then you get to hear all the spin-masters' best work come to action.

Cig, I think you're suffering from an extreme failure in your victim selection process. Perhaps you should consider carrying _quietly_. I think you'll save yourself a lot of heartache.

--
Shroom

01-10-2005, 09:37 AM	#33 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Which are you? No you didn't annoy me, you just showed your colors for the thousandth time. For someone who has a hissy fit at the slightest provocation and demands to be treated with utmost respect at all times, you seem to feel free to turn around and take a piss on any post or person you please, as if you had the right. You want to have people treat you with respect? Show some. In response to Cing's post, did you find his point questionable? Would you like more information? Do you disagree?

01-10-2005, 03:04 PM	#35 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Which are you? It's not personal with me. I just wish you'd settle down some.

06-20-2005, 05:25 AM	#36 (permalink)
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06-20-2005, 10:48 AM	#37 (permalink)
TheFeniX Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 26 Posts: 4,478	Re: Which are you? In the past few months, I have been learning IDPA and IPSC style shooting in the hope of becoming better able to defend myself and those close to me. I've come to realize that after years of shooting pistols, I know next to nothing about how to most effectively fire them in a combat situation. That's ok though, because I'm learning. But, in the course of explaining when I've learned to people I talk to, I get all sorts of questions I find weird and some comments that annoy me. Most people ask me if I'm a police officer. When I inform them that I'm not and that my job has nothing to do with law enforcement or security, they act as though it's weird for someone to learn to defend themselves in this way. Of course, these are probably the same people that would claim, since they took a Tae-Bo class, they feel confident in being able to defend themselves. People that are used to seeing the good guys come through a hail of bullets unharmed and proceed to fight the main badguy in some mano-a-mano hand-to-hand BS that just doesn't happen in real life. The same people who always claims "that will never happen to me" when watching the news. I choose to learn this because I feel it's my duty and it costs me little in the scope of things (I enjoy doing it, but the money is Hell). I will hopefully never have to draw my pistol in defense of my person or others. I put it in the same area as wearing my seatbelt: I may never need it, but it's a damn good thing to have on you. I think it primarily comes down to fear. It's not a hard connection to make. People routinely inform me they're afraid of guns, that's why they never learned how they work. Well, I was afraid of jumping behind the wheel of a 2-ton death machine called a car. But in the hands of an experienced and level headed person, neither is all the dangerous. __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TheFeniX's Steam Profile TG's Team Fortress 2 Steam Group

06-20-2005, 03:55 PM	#38 (permalink)
MileHighAko Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Age: 35 Posts: 170	Re: Which are you? Some time last year I was having dinner with a good friend of mine who is a deputy sheriff here in Colorado. I asked him what the worst thing about being a cop was. He said, “The worst thing? The worst thing is dealing with people that do not take responsibility for their own safety.” We talked a lot about how some of the most back changes in a person’s behavior can nearly guarantee that they will not become a victim of a violent crime. It had a big impact on me. Since that time I became serious about my responsibility for my own well being. Lets face it, how many times do the police actually stop a crime in progress? They do a great job at preventing crime, and they spend most of their time investigating and handling crime after it has occurred, but stopping a crime while it is being committed isn’t something that happens very often. That’s just a fact of life. Which means that I personally have two options: I can be a victim and allow my family to be victimized, or I can be a sheepdog and stand up for myself and my family. I refuse to be a victim. Since last year I have started learning a lot about self defense, including defensive use of a handgun. My job has nothing to do with law enforcement, but that doesn’t prevent me from carrying a handgun, safely, legally, and concealed pretty much 24/7. I pray that I will never have to use it. But I won’t hesitate to protect myself, my family, and my fellow man from the wolf if it comes down to it. In the past several months I have learned a lot about myself. I find that I am a much more polite person. I am less hesitant to get into any type of argument or put myself in positions where that might happen. I am much more law abiding. And I am much more aware of the personal situations I am in all day long. I am a believer that an armed society is a polite society. Bottom line is that I agree with the original post. It is up to you to take responsibility for your life. I wouldn’t have considered calling myself a sheepdog, but maybe that is a good description for it.

06-20-2005, 07:16 PM	#45 (permalink)
shroompicker Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Arizona Age: 34 Posts: 185	Re: Which are you? Everyone, will you READ Cig's post? Actually, the way you're acting, Cig, you seem to have not read your own post either! You're trying to convert a sheep into a sheepdog, the story says that this is impossible. DudeMan doesn't have the power to take your weapon away from you. He's not even in this country, and if he were, I doubt he ever would be. Those people in positions that do have the power to take your weapon away from you are either wolves of sheepdogs themselves, sheep can't make it. The only time I see people like that do have a say is as a juror. It's never a clear shoot / no-shoot case, in fact it's always a case where you'd wish you as a juror could throw all the defendants and the prosection's "victims" into jail. The lawyers select an even mix of extremist kool-aid drinkers on both sides of the fence, and put them in the pit to fight. Then you get to hear all the spin-masters' best work come to action. Cig, I think you're suffering from an extreme failure in your victim selection process. Perhaps you should consider carrying _quietly_. I think you'll save yourself a lot of heartache. -- Shroom

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