Which are you? - Page 6

**CingularDuality** · 07-02-2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I'd like to point out that "McDonalds" and "properly brewed(prepared)" don't belong in the same sentence.

I was just pointing out that your argument there was less than stellar...

You're right, though, McD's coffee is crap. I never used them in the same sentence, either...

rs_al · 07-03-2005, 09:57 AM

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Coffee is supposed to be served in the range of 185 degrees! The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at "between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction" and drunk "immediately". If not drunk immediately, it should be "maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit". (Source: NCAUSA.)

For more info on the the whole mcdonalds thing, http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html is a good site. You can also see their top 10 stupid lawsuits of the year for the past few years, which are good for a laugh/outlash of anger.

**TheFeniX** · 07-03-2005, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I was just pointing out that your argument there was less than stellar...

But the fact still stands: these cases were blown out of proportion on the assumption "it was tame." They were, in fact, not. Third degree burns can be deadly, and this lady spent time in a hospital for it. The lady didn't deserve millions of dollars like she thought she did. In fact, the jury decided that and didn't give it to her.

Anyways, we're on a tangent.

**CingularDuality** · 07-04-2005, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

Anyways, we're on a tangent.

Yeah, but tangents are cool...

But back to the original topic, here's an anecdote about a sheepdog from a blog (scroll down past all the Grossman stuff that you've already read...): http://www.vinod.com/blog/News/Sheep...ogsWolves.html

And while searching for on-topic stuff to spark more discussion, I found another tangent we can explore: violent media causing real violence!

Interview with LtCol(r) Dave Grossman about his book, Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill: A Call To Action Against TV, Movie & Video Game Violence:
http://members.tripod.com/~american_...c/grossint.htm

**CingularDuality** · 07-05-2005, 02:05 AM

Thread in some other forums about sheepdog:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=8&t=204296

**CingularDuality** · 08-30-2005, 05:28 AM

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8C9SAIG0.html

What if there had been a sheepdog there to stop this man? Tragic...

**CingularDuality** · 01-01-2006, 09:18 PM

Bump for Steeler and to bring it back up to the top for everyone in light of recent discussion...

Pickle · 01-02-2006, 03:34 PM

In response to the title of the thread.....

**CingularDuality** · 04-17-2007, 01:19 PM

It's been asked in another thread whether or not having armed citizens would help or hurt situations involving crazed gunmen.

I just have one question: If the police can't help you at that moment, why in the world would you want the bad guy to be the only person with a gun?

**ednos** · 04-17-2007, 03:26 PM

CingularDuality has it exactly right. This is the reason I support the citizen's right to carry firearms.

**experiment626** · 04-17-2007, 03:34 PM

Wal-Mart shooting was first under concealed carry permit
(137 comments; last comment posted May 6, 2006 09:25 am) print | email this story

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
August 30, 2005

ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - A fatal shooting at an Albuquerque Wal-Mart last week was the state's first by someone with a concealed-carry gun permit, authorities said.

Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital.

The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released.

Police spokeswoman Officer Trish Hoffman said it appeared the shooting was justified. However, it will be up to the district attorney to decide whether Moore, a volunteer with the police department's cold case unit, will be prosecuted.

Moore could not be reached for comment.

New Mexico allows citizens age 21 and over to carry concealed weapons if they complete firearms training and pass national and local criminal background checks.

Moore's fatal shot was the first fired by someone with a permit, according to state Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson. The state has issued more than 3,100 permits since the gun law went into effect Jan. 1, 2004.

Moore took a class to get his permit just 13 days after the law went into effect, said Cody Patton, a manager at Calibre's National Shooters Sports Center in Albuquerque. That's where Moore was certified.

"He was the fourth person ever to sign up for a permit," Patton said. "I've now done more than 300 of them."

Patton said there has been a fair amount of interest in concealed-carry permits at his range _ in particular during the first four months after the law passed.

LINK:http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/31883.html

Just thought this might be what you were looking for CING. And, being an ex-fed and cop...I'm a sheepdog whether anyone else knows it or not

Silas Ender · 04-17-2007, 04:13 PM

Which am I? I don't think the distinction is mine to make. Am I more intelligent than the average person? Am I good looking? Can I be summon the courage to attempt to wrestle a weapon from a criminal, or to sprint into incoming to save my comrade's life, with my death the very possible result? Past events in my life have shown me that I probably will, though people will most likely glance at my age and scoff, thinking that it's just wishful thinking at this point. Maybe. Since the revolution, my family has been military, with many members serving, including both my parents. I've been raised among these 'sheepdogs', soldiers sworn to protect the sheep, many aching for battle. Their life is the only one I know, and I have never wanted to be anything but a 'sheepdog'. A burning desire to serve my country, and for adventure. But how many countless people feel this way, only to realize that they simply are not capable? With my own entry into the armed forces drawing to within a few years, I have reflected long and hard on my own choice. I know it's easy to say that I have no doubt at this point, but it's also easy to scorn another person's resolve. I have a certain quote that sums my feelings on the subject rather well:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stewart Mill--

I have no intention of being kept free by the exertions of men better than myself while I go about my merry business. We'll see if I'm a sheepdog, but I know the answer already.

07-05-2005, 02:05 AM	#80 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,140	Re: Which are you? Thread in some other forums about sheepdog: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=8&t=204296 __________________ Become a supporting member! Buy a Tactical Duck! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

08-30-2005, 05:28 AM	#81 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,140	Re: Which are you? http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8C9SAIG0.html What if there had been a sheepdog there to stop this man? Tragic... __________________ Become a supporting member! Buy a Tactical Duck! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

01-01-2006, 09:18 PM	#82 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,140	Re: Which are you? Bump for Steeler and to bring it back up to the top for everyone in light of recent discussion... __________________ Become a supporting member! Buy a Tactical Duck! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

01-02-2006, 03:34 PM	#83 (permalink)
Pickle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Land of Fruit and Nuts! Age: 35 Posts: 1,281	Re: Which are you? In response to the title of the thread..... __________________ "Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead [tg-c1][ma-c1][defense]

04-17-2007, 01:19 PM	#84 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,140	Re: Which are you? It's been asked in another thread whether or not having armed citizens would help or hurt situations involving crazed gunmen. I just have one question: If the police can't help you at that moment, why in the world would you want the bad guy to be the only person with a gun? __________________ Become a supporting member! Buy a Tactical Duck! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

04-17-2007, 03:26 PM	#85 (permalink)
ednos Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,857	Re: Which are you? CingularDuality has it exactly right. This is the reason I support the citizen's right to carry firearms. __________________ The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~ Bertrand Russell I have a tendency to key out three or four things and then let them battle for supremacy while I key, so there's a lot of backspacing as potential statements are slaughtered and eaten by the victors. ~ Magna Centipede

04-17-2007, 03:34 PM	#86 (permalink)
experiment626 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Albuquerque NM Age: 36 Posts: 1,423	Re: Which are you? Wal-Mart shooting was first under concealed carry permit (137 comments; last comment posted May 6, 2006 09:25 am) print \| email this story By ASSOCIATED PRESS August 30, 2005 ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - A fatal shooting at an Albuquerque Wal-Mart last week was the state's first by someone with a concealed-carry gun permit, authorities said. Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital. The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released. Police spokeswoman Officer Trish Hoffman said it appeared the shooting was justified. However, it will be up to the district attorney to decide whether Moore, a volunteer with the police department's cold case unit, will be prosecuted. Moore could not be reached for comment. New Mexico allows citizens age 21 and over to carry concealed weapons if they complete firearms training and pass national and local criminal background checks. Moore's fatal shot was the first fired by someone with a permit, according to state Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson. The state has issued more than 3,100 permits since the gun law went into effect Jan. 1, 2004. Moore took a class to get his permit just 13 days after the law went into effect, said Cody Patton, a manager at Calibre's National Shooters Sports Center in Albuquerque. That's where Moore was certified. "He was the fourth person ever to sign up for a permit," Patton said. "I've now done more than 300 of them." Patton said there has been a fair amount of interest in concealed-carry permits at his range _ in particular during the first four months after the law passed. LINK:http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/31883.html Just thought this might be what you were looking for CING. And, being an ex-fed and cop...I'm a sheepdog whether anyone else knows it or not __________________

04-17-2007, 04:13 PM	#87 (permalink)
Silas Ender Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bogota, Colombia Posts: 127	Re: Which are you? Which am I? I don't think the distinction is mine to make. Am I more intelligent than the average person? Am I good looking? Can I be summon the courage to attempt to wrestle a weapon from a criminal, or to sprint into incoming to save my comrade's life, with my death the very possible result? Past events in my life have shown me that I probably will, though people will most likely glance at my age and scoff, thinking that it's just wishful thinking at this point. Maybe. Since the revolution, my family has been military, with many members serving, including both my parents. I've been raised among these 'sheepdogs', soldiers sworn to protect the sheep, many aching for battle. Their life is the only one I know, and I have never wanted to be anything but a 'sheepdog'. A burning desire to serve my country, and for adventure. But how many countless people feel this way, only to realize that they simply are not capable? With my own entry into the armed forces drawing to within a few years, I have reflected long and hard on my own choice. I know it's easy to say that I have no doubt at this point, but it's also easy to scorn another person's resolve. I have a certain quote that sums my feelings on the subject rather well: "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." --John Stewart Mill-- I have no intention of being kept free by the exertions of men better than myself while I go about my merry business. We'll see if I'm a sheepdog, but I know the answer already. __________________ Life in Bogota is a lot like a big box of Colombian chocolates. You never know when you'll get blown up by the FARC.

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