The last debate. - Page 2

**leejo** · 10-16-2008, 06:51 PM

There was a guy in my high school who always wore turtlenecks ( mandatory coat and tie or coat and turtleneck) and everyone called him "The Gar".

**CingularDuality** · 10-16-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AMosely

So you are one of those people who ultimately vote on looks? You're better than that!

No, ultimately, I don't care which of the two likely candidates wins. Neither of them line up with what I want in a candidate, so why not vote on which candidate looks more Presidential? Do you not think that appearance matters? You're better than that!

cstealth · 10-16-2008, 08:52 PM

You can see all the debates on hulu.com
Although i dont know if they have commentaary

**Vulcan** · 10-16-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

No, ultimately, I don't care which of the two likely candidates wins. Neither of them line up with what I want in a candidate, so why not vote on which candidate looks more Presidential? Do you not think that appearance matters? You're better than that!

that's pretty bad man! Surely you can side on an issue with one of them or maybe you're torn?

Either way sarah palin wins the interweb.

**CingularDuality** · 10-17-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

that's pretty bad man! Surely you can side on an issue with one of them or maybe you're torn?

I think that if it weren't for my number one issue, I might vote for Senator Obama. I'd have to hold my nose when I thought of his horrible economic plans...

But Senator Obama wants to take guns away from all of my neighbors (but not me). Senator McCain doesn't want to take our guns away, but he doesn't care enough to stand up like a man and stop anyone else that wants to take our guns away...

They're both weak on immigration enforcement. VERY weak.

Senator Obama is charismatic and looks powerful. Senator McCain looks meek and broken. Senator Obama has done nothing with his life except used his charisma to become a politician. Senator McCain has put his life on the line for our country.

So, even the looks argument doesn't amount to much when you take into account the reasons for their looks...

I guess I'll just go back to voting third party...

**snooggums** · 10-17-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

But Senator Obama wants to take guns away from all of my neighbors (but not me).

No he doesn't, he supports Brady Bill type legislation.

From CNN

Barack Obama
Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment. Would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which allows the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to share data on history of sales and transfers of firearms used in crimes only with federal agencies for national security purposes, or prosecutors needing it for an ongoing criminal investigation or prosecution. Regarding the Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban. At a debate, when asked about case, Obama said he believes "that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." Voted for 2006 amendment prohibiting confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency

**CingularDuality** · 10-17-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by snooggums

No he doesn't, he supports Brady Bill type legislation.

Again, that would keep guns from my neighbors, but not me.

**snooggums** · 10-17-2008, 08:25 PM

You said 'take away from' not 'keep from'.

He specifically voted against a bill that would take guns from citizens. He supported legislation that had requirements for gun owners, and did not sign a brief sent to the supreme court who should have ruled the DC law unconstitutional anyway and that is the closest thing he did to keeping guns from anyone.

**CingularDuality** · 10-17-2008, 08:38 PM

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Especially not on this point. You've got some very precarious footing here and you're lucky that I just don't feel like typing...

Obviously biased, but check this out: http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/

cstealth · 10-17-2008, 08:52 PM

I think guns are part of america....(2nd amendment)

I read that McCain wants the gun companies to put gun locks on the guns like out of the box.
That could work.
Im not to much into the whole politics scene but for the most part because i cant vote(Under 18)
I like his policies but i guess a 14 year old doesnt know what is really important...

**snooggums** · 10-17-2008, 08:54 PM

Semantics? There is a huge difference between voting for gun control laws and taking guns from people. You are just backpedaling.

Nice biased link you have there.

**CingularDuality** · 10-17-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by snooggums

Semantics? There is a huge difference between voting for gun control laws and taking guns from people. You are just backpedaling.

Could you explain the difference in the long run, between keeping guns from people and taking guns from people? We're talking about the right to keep and bear arms here, snooggums.

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Nice biased link you have there.

Did you look at it? It's filled with sourced facts.

**snooggums** · 10-17-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Could you explain the difference in the long run, between keeping guns from people and taking guns from people? We're talking about the right to keep and bear arms here, snooggums.

Look, I fully support the right to bear arms. I don't think there should be any limit to anyone that is 18+ years old that has not been convicted of a violent felony (or declared mentally unfit by a court due to behaviors in special cases) from owning any type of firearm.

BUT

You stating clearly that Obama wants to take your neighbors guns away is completely different than restricting gun ownership in the long run. Obama has voted for acts that are the shallow and ineffective type of gun control sure, but he isn't advocating taking away all guns like DC did. Even with nitpicky stupid crap like the 'assault weapon' ban there has not been any real limitation on citizens being able to purchase firearms. DOn't act like one small restriction will automatically create a landslide of legislation outlawing all firearms, it won't happen.

How about you explain how taking the guns that someone currently owns is the same thing as wanting to legislate faster background checks?

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 10-17-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Could you explain the difference in the long run, between keeping guns from people and taking guns from people? We're talking about the right to keep and bear arms here, snooggums.

Did you look at it? It's filled with sourced facts.

There is a difference between preventing gun ownership and regulating gun ownership.

I don't like either but I will take the second option. SCOTUS has already made a ruling about how far regulation can go in the Heller vs DC ruling. Obama can't do anything about that. Obamas' stance is pretty much moot at this point.

**CingularDuality** · 10-18-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by snooggums

How about you explain how taking the guns that someone currently owns is the same thing as wanting to legislate faster background checks?

I'll answer your question as soon as you answer mine.

Background checks are instant. How can you legislate them to be faster? And do you think the Brady Bill didn't ban guns? My neighbors and I are able to legally own weapons that my friends in Massachusetts can not. That I was not able to own when the Brady Bill was in effect...

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Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande

There is a difference between preventing gun ownership and regulating gun ownership.

I don't like either but I will take the second option. SCOTUS has already made a ruling about how far regulation can go in the Heller vs DC ruling. Obama can't do anything about that. Obamas' stance is pretty much moot at this point.

While SCOTUS has said that banning is unconstitutional and regulation is OK, it most certainly has not ruled on how far regulation can go.

10-16-2008, 06:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: The last debate. There was a guy in my high school who always wore turtlenecks ( mandatory coat and tie or coat and turtleneck) and everyone called him "The Gar".

10-16-2008, 08:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
cstealth Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Washington Age: 14 Posts: 407	Re: The last debate. You can see all the debates on hulu.com Although i dont know if they have commentaary

10-17-2008, 08:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
snooggums Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 617	Re: The last debate. You said 'take away from' not 'keep from'. He specifically voted against a bill that would take guns from citizens. He supported legislation that had requirements for gun owners, and did not sign a brief sent to the supreme court who should have ruled the DC law unconstitutional anyway and that is the closest thing he did to keeping guns from anyone. __________________

10-17-2008, 08:38 PM	#24 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,140	Re: The last debate. I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Especially not on this point. You've got some very precarious footing here and you're lucky that I just don't feel like typing... Obviously biased, but check this out: http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/ __________________ Become a supporting member! Buy a Tactical Duck! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

10-17-2008, 08:52 PM	#25 (permalink)
cstealth Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Washington Age: 14 Posts: 407	Re: The last debate. I think guns are part of america....(2nd amendment) I read that McCain wants the gun companies to put gun locks on the guns like out of the box. That could work. Im not to much into the whole politics scene but for the most part because i cant vote(Under 18) I like his policies but i guess a 14 year old doesnt know what is really important...

10-17-2008, 08:54 PM	#26 (permalink)
snooggums Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 31 Posts: 617	Re: The last debate. Semantics? There is a huge difference between voting for gun control laws and taking guns from people. You are just backpedaling. Nice biased link you have there. __________________

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