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    Hambergler, very good response, Experience and Looking around is probably one of the best ways to make an accertation about a drug, One might be more resistant than others but how many people past their first year of addiction in drugs like Crack/Meth/Heroine are actually "Getting by"??....I've met very few, most of them live in shacks make minimum wage have no utilities and are entirely indulged in Their addiction. My dealer actually lived with his wife, and 2 other guys to support the addiction and afford a trailer.. Nothing good comes of it.

    Makes your pupils look neat though

    My mom found out shortly before I quit, was the most dissapointing look i've ever seen on her face My dialated eyes and my Monotoned voice gave me away like a fish on land. she was there, she knew.... she handled it well I guess though, and offered me a lot of support in Quitting before I went to jail a couple weeks later.

    Fenix, what you don't seem to understand is that Crack, Will very quickly Absolve your sense of responsibility. the Power of its mind/body games will Cover you in a blanket from being in a Reasonable state of mind to make any sort of responsible decision. if it doesn't accert that property sooner, it accerts it later... Even after the fact, the drug has a tendancy to "Haunt" People, that plays a large role in people who go into rehab, and stay sober for a year just to fall back into the Ocean they were pulled out of.

    the high is so powerfull and pleasing that you think about it constantly for a few months, a year later it pops to head maybe once a week or anytime somebody mentions drugs... and I can't really say much beyond that year, I guess I'll find out.... I had to isolate myself to get out of it though, I deleted all my cell contacts, never called danny again, left school and got a G.E.D. .... and now I'm living in colorado friendless waiting to move back to california, new faces and an opertunity to assert a position where I won't slip.
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    Sticky, from what you've said. It sounds like you are teetering on an invisible line. On one side being hard partyer and the other side being an addict. Perhaps you haven't crossed the line (yet), but crack is the major leagues. Hopefully you won't get really drunk one night, lose your inhibitions and go find some crack. Be careful with your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambergler View Post
    Sticky, from what you've said. It sounds like you are teetering on an invisible line. On one side being hard partyer and the other side being an addict. Perhaps you haven't crossed the line (yet), but crack is the major leagues. Hopefully you won't get really drunk one night, lose your inhibitions and go find some crack. Be careful with your life.
    I haven't drank in months, and to that extent since I used crack i've never had a heavy interest for alcohol, *I edited my above post a bit and its in regaurds to that*, Alc's a drug that really brings you down, Weeds with it, neither are really appealing to me due to the depressing effect, call it an "Eye Opening" via a different drug if you will, the other drug being much more Damaging but pleasent, I've drank Once in the past year, otherwise i've been sober. Jail was a powerfull clean up your act point, and I continue to work towards a career as a Commercial Pilot - so that keeps my mind positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambergler View Post
    However, most of the knowledge available on this subject has come through experience and it is very obvious that you have non or very little.
    Oh God.... if only you knew. Then again, my experiences with illicit substances are worthless being that they are anecdotes with no factual basis to back them up. This logic is always fallacious because according to it, I'm not allowed to make a judgment on anything I haven't directly accomplished or observed because of "experience." As if my taking of illicit substances somehow makes my argument more valid.

    Spend some time at a rehab, or the salvation army, or at a halfway house. After you talk to the people there.
    Yea, because a place specifically setup (besides the salvation army) to house addicts is a great place to find objective data on addiction rates... And I assume since an ER doctor sees accidents all day, most Americans must be clumsy idiots.

    Here, I've got one: my good friend in high school snorted (at least) an 8-ball a day and even went as far as smoking the stuff. When his girlfriend got pregnant, he quit cold-turkey, stuck it through the withdrawal for 2-days and hasn't touched the stuff since. Cocaine obviously isn't dangerous because my experience with it shows otherwise, right?

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    One might be more resistant than others but how many people past their first year of addiction in drugs like Crack/Meth/Heroine are actually "Getting by"
    Ah the old "usage always leads to addiction adage" DARE has been pushing for decades. So, addicts, who have moved beyond just snorting the stuff and have to result to free-basing it just to maintain their high, encompass what percentage of users? Likely we don't have reliable data due to lack of regulations concerning it. I'll stick with the knowledge (link is on my home PC) that recreational use vs addiction rates in the 20% which is on par with alcohol. This makes no distinction between regular addicts and "Beat you down for your wallet" addicts. So, people against cocaine should also be arguing for the banning of alcohol, except there's no social stigma attached to shotgunning beers.

    Also, for grins: compare instances of violence per capita related to alcohol and (teh Eval!) PCP.

    Fenix, what you don't seem to understand is that Crack, Will very quickly Absolve your sense of responsibility.
    Yea, like WoW addicts should blame Blizzard for their lack of self control. I've never even made the argument that cocaine should be legal, only that these types of arguments against legalization are very weak. And throwing people in a box because they picked the wrong substance to abuse is just idiocy.

    Here's the average argument from drug-enforcement: "You're too stupid to protect yourself from bad drugs, so we'll do it for you by throwing you in a building filled with violent criminals, which is likely to make you a violent re-offender. GO AMERICA!"

    Even after the fact, the drug has a tendancy to "Haunt" People,
    And other forms of addiction don't? Let me turn Hambergler's argument around: have you ever talked to someone in AA or who is fighting a gambling addiction? Where's the difference?

    The double standard is evident: we'd rather keep alcohol legal even though it kills 100,000 people a year, but cocaine is too dangerous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFeniX View Post
    Fenix long discussion
    Fenix, Have you ever Snorted 2 or 3 lines of coke?, At this point im willing to say No.

    By itself cocaine is a Relatively calm drug when snorted or chewed, you chew it it makes your mouth numb you snort it you get a Smooth up, and a smooth down, In Bolivia they use the Coca leaf in a similar fashion to what we americans would use Coffee as *except they chew the leaf to wake them up rather than drinking a "Tea"*

    The biggest issue with a drug like cocaine, is How Dangerous it is when used in another way.

    you can always satisfy yourself with Cocaine on a daily basis without needing to move to a more potent form of it, after 6-8 hours of sleep you'll feel Fine, your seratonin levels are back up to normal and you keep going, Argueably in a long term effect it can cause issues with your body and its release/re-uptake of seratonin, but im pretty sure there's no conclusive evidence and it doesnt even really matter.


    What does matter - the active chemical in Cocaine is an extremely Potent one, People "Have fun" with drugs, that's why so many people die from alcohol, going out and having a good time.

    Drinking Contests would be Snorting contests, who can snort more before their nose is entirely Plugged and their throat so bitter it's discusting.


    Snorting - doesn't quickly or move, Large amounts of cocaine into the blood system anytime fast so its effects as an addictive product are negligable, Smoking Crack, or Free-base, or Injecting cocaine, the Drug is Extremely Dangerous in respect to addiction.

    Cocaine is Very Powerfull, use ineffective methods of ingestion, it doesn't do much *Snorting*
    If you use a method to get it into your bloodstream Quickly *Smoking/Injecting* you get an Extremely Potent addictive high.


    With that information and the information you've presented me, I'd say you're not very informed to the subject, it's obvious you've never done it and While the best way is to actually go out and Do it, I'd highly recomend otherwise, and I'm sure you'd agree.


    Why would you put Cocaine on the market, so that people can *So so so so easily* Cook it into rocks give it to their friends and make America a "Crackhead" Nation?

    Due to its scheduling *a Level up from cocaine actually* Crack/Freebase is an "Insider's" Market, its Difficult to get in, and 100x more difficult to get out, You have to start life from Square one new town, all friends Gone. in order to set yourself in an environment to allow you the Time needed to Re-coup and truely get off the crap.

    I promise you now, If Cocaine were legalised, Crack would be as easy to find as a snickers bar. America Would go way down hill.

    That's Information gathered from Living among, and Living a lifestyle as a "Crackhead".

    If you'd have ever been there, You would understand what I mean about that drug.

    Cocaine is one of the biggest evils on the planet, it's proven itself to Bring people to the lowest corners of the earth, and that's why Worldwide - it's an Illicit substance *Although in some places the coca leaf is legal*

    I'd probably stick my nose up to Meth too, I discussed doing it with a Tweaker friend I met during my addiction, His description was a slightly more powerfull High similar to crack, for 4-6 hours a hit.

    No wonder Meth is the ****tiest of all drugs as far as addictions go.....the chemicals don't entirely rely on your body to create that high either, where as cocaine manipulates your body chemicals, Methamphetamine is the chemical.....that's why people can stay up on it for 4-5 days at a time before they're broke and run out and Die for 24-48 hours....

    Both are rediculous drugs, The United States - Is better off without both of them.

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    Re: The argument against marijuana, and other drugs legalization

    I believe most drugs can be enjoyed responsibly by mature 18+ individuals, that is all.

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    So your going to take the family to the park for a picnic. Maybe throw around a frisbee and smoke a little crack? ROFL

    Good luck with that.

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    Lol

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    Maybe you should try some recreational drugs if the only thing you have to do with your time is bait newcomers on a private forum...

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    Re: The argument against marijuana, and other drugs legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by <1sk>Headshot View Post
    Maybe you should try some recreational drugs if the only thing you have to do with your time is bait newcomers on a private forum...
    Well

    Weed
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    Liqour
    Magical mushrooms *From Cambodia!*
    Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. *Hippy acid*
    Salvia Divinorum <<<<< Holy ****....scared me half to death.

    done plenty of Recreation with those......

    so...few good reasons to illegalise these except a persons level of addictive Thinking.....

    Here's one.....Why WOULD you legalise them? the Pain killer etc. crap is Not good enough, thats just a potsmoker looking for pot and I know that *Been there seen plenty of people get their green cards*

    put up GOOD reason to legalize drugs. what do we have to BENEFIT.

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    The benefit is saving money from throwing millions of potsmokers in jail for years on mandated minimum sentences.

    I'm not in favor of legalization for the purpose of having more people get high, I just don't think stopping them is worth the effort -- but that only holds true for the lesser drugs like marijuana. I would be very worried about the effects of legalization of stuff like cocaine or heroin. And hey, instead of being a "gateway" to harder stuff, maybe legal weed would make more people settle for that instead of making the extra effort to get high illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerostasis View Post
    The benefit is saving money from throwing millions of potsmokers in jail for years on mandated minimum sentences.

    I'm not in favor of legalization for the purpose of having more people get high, I just don't think stopping them is worth the effort -- but that only holds true for the lesser drugs like marijuana. I would be very worried about the effects of legalization of stuff like cocaine or heroin. And hey, instead of being a "gateway" to harder stuff, maybe legal weed would make more people settle for that instead of making the extra effort to get high illegally.
    Agreed

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    Stickyjeans, dude. Welcome back. I had wondered why you disappeared from TG/ShackTac ArmA.

    Keep the faith, man. Don't fall back into the hole.
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    Re: The argument against marijuana, and other drugs legalization

    Don't smoke crack.

    I think I learned something from this thread. Don't smoke crack.

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    Re: The argument against marijuana, and other drugs legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillespie View Post
    Stickyjeans, dude. Welcome back. I had wondered why you disappeared from TG/ShackTac ArmA.

    Keep the faith, man. Don't fall back into the hole.
    hah yeahh, I dropped out of shack and ArmA and TG etc. past month i've been doing some Flightsimming though testing some new Software -





    In the meantime I guess though, You'll find me around Project Reality when I need my guns Fix . ArmA's great fun but as far as simulations go, Flightsim and Open Falcon have me fixed, When I need to shoot something *not from Angels 25* I'll be leading 6 guys to Glorious Grenading, Shoe spitting, Tank Blasting, Bunker busting, Cow kicking, Lemon Licking, Victorys that although unrealistic, are sometimes hilarious and always a good bit of fun . if you're ever on though man, cya over there.


    And Skud-

    Don't Smoke crack, is exactly the proper lesson to be recieved o_O you can probably carry that over for Heroine and Meth too.

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