Re: The argument against marijuana, and other drugs legalization

**RandomGuy** · 02-06-2010, 09:00 PM

I'm not a big fan of David Suzuki or "The Nature of Things" but there is an interesting episode recently aired talking about the possible link between marijuana consumption and mental illness. One interesting fact mentioned: the THC content of confiscated pot is increasing and the amount of THC in it today something like ten times what it was in the hippies' day.

You should be able to watch it for free:
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/natu...ownsideofhigh/ (link to video is beside the summary article)

**ScratchMonkey** · 02-09-2010, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

One interesting fact mentioned: the THC content of confiscated pot is increasing and the amount of THC in it today something like ten times what it was in the hippies' day.

That makes sense. The criminal penalty is usually based on how much you possess. so by making it more concentrated, you reduce the penalty per unit effect. That's likely why people need to concentrate cocaine and other drugs. If it were legal, you could stay with the lighter stuff.

**Hambergler** · 02-10-2010, 01:20 AM

The reason people concentrate weed is so they can sell it for more because it takes you higher. You can smoke shwag weed all day and not get as high as one hit from some gourmet weed. Prices vary from $100 an oz to $1000 oz. In the hippie days it was all shwag. With coke and crack it's the same concept; crack takes you much higher then coke can. However the penalties for crack are much more severe. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...penalties.html

**BigGaayAl** · 02-10-2010, 04:07 AM

Good point. I have smoked weed for about 10 years, and I prefer shwag. I do not enjoy at all smoking the heavier new weed, because it knocks you out unless you smoke it all the time. It has way more influence on your life. BUt this is an effect of prohibition as you explained, and is then used as an argument against weed and for stricter prohibition. Meh damned opportunists! Let me have some of the sweet mellow sensimilla!

**snooggums** · 02-10-2010, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Hambergler

The reason people concentrate weed is so they can sell it for more because it takes you higher. You can smoke shwag weed all day and not get as high as one hit from some gourmet weed. Prices vary from $100 an oz to $1000 oz. In the hippie days it was all shwag. With coke and crack it's the same concept; crack takes you much higher then coke can. However the penalties for crack are much more severe. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...penalties.html

It's also much easier to smell weed, it has to be transported in larger amounts and looks different than other drugs so they don't have to say what the small amount of what looks like baking powder actually is. Recognition factor.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 02-10-2010, 03:21 PM

Article I found

Top 10 Cannabis Studies the Government Wished it Had Never Funded

10) MARIJUANA USE HAS NO EFFECT ON MORTALITY:
9) HEAVY MARIJUANA USE AS A YOUNG ADULT WON'T RUIN YOUR LIFE:
8) THE "GATEWAY EFFECT" MAY BE A MIRAGE:
7) PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK (PART I):
6) PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK (PART II):
DOES PROHIBITION CAUSE THE "GATEWAY EFFECT"?):
5) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART I):
4) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER, (PART II):
3) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART III):
2) OOPS, MARIJUANA MAY PREVENT CANCER (PART IV):
1) MARIJUANA DOES HAVE MEDICAL VALUE:

**Hambergler** · 02-11-2010, 01:15 AM

And fruit loops are health food.

**ScratchMonkey** · 02-11-2010, 02:42 AM

That's gonna be a nice list to bring up during California's next election attempting to legalize possession of small amounts.

**El_Gringo_Grande** · 02-11-2010, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Hambergler

And fruit loops are health food.

Compared to a bowl of sugar, yes they are. And you would probably survive longer on fruit loops than you would celery.

**Extinct** · 02-23-2010, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey

That's gonna be a nice list to bring up during California's next election attempting to legalize possession of small amounts.

Just like us Canadian's

**mp40x** · 02-24-2010, 01:02 PM

New video about the never-ending marijuana battle in bankrupt, but sunny, California......

**ScratchMonkey** · 03-01-2010, 02:01 PM

**Hambergler** · 03-02-2010, 10:36 AM

Crazy Ex Narc Stings Dirty Cops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQMix...ayer_embedded#

**Ferris Bueller** · 03-02-2010, 03:14 PM

Theres about to be a big battle over this issue here in colorado. Like california, dispensaries for medical marijuana are legal in the state (although it's left up to the individual cities in the state as to whether or not to allow them). The city of boulder recently reported that there are 74 dispensaries within city limits and the city estimates that over 75% of the available warehouse space in the city is used for the growing and storage of marijuana (theres a reason they call boulder "25 square miles surrounded by reality"). It's also been REALLY profitable though: the city estimates that this year they will collect between 300 and 400 thousand dollars in "pot taxes", which would be a huge boost to almost any city economy.

One big reason it's going to get so nasty here is that the state is attempting to take on the federal government by the horns: they're granting permits for growers to do their business on state owned and controlled land. So the growers themselves are basically third party, the feds would have to go after the state if they want to arrest people for growing.

Although it is interesting that as quickly as the federal agencies have jumped on other states, nothing significant has happened here yet. It's going to be very very interesting when it does.

**snooggums** · 03-02-2010, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

One big reason it's going to get so nasty here is that the state is attempting to take on the federal government by the horns: they're granting permits for growers to do their business on state owned and controlled land. So the growers themselves are basically third party, the feds would have to go after the state if they want to arrest people for growing.

Even if the Feds fail to regulate it through direct law I foresee the same chilling effect which uses highway funding requirements to force states to comply with the age limit for alcohol purchase being 21. Heck, they might even use federal highway funding to force the state to comply.

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