Senator Kerry in '04! - Page 4

Turbinator · 10-20-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Agreed. But that's not what you said earlier. You said that nobody even heard of Saddam while President Clinton was in office...

I should have been more precise, I understand, but basically thats what I ment, ofcourse u heared of iraq/sadam since early 80s, but im saying it grew with bush sr and bush jr, that was my point.

anyways i liked bush in last debate on religion and something else he talked about, there is another thread somewhere started by someone. Id say it swayed my opinion about him.

**_Ender_** · 10-20-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

Quit bringing it up!

I didnt bring it up, dudeman did.

Turbinator · 10-20-2004, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

yes turbinator, although clinton did not pay too much attention to sadam, niether did he with all other terror at the time.

the IRA was running wild in Ireland and hte UK which at the time was actually being funded by american citizens.

the arab israelis conflict was being treated like a pre school fight where clinton acted like daddy to both nations

and the 9/11 attacks were being planned during these years... while i am not going to say that he knew as he probably didnt, it wasnt the actions of MR Bush that caused this, and Mr Bush has reacted to all this is a very determined way which i believe gave the world the right message about democracy.

why do people keep going back and compairing bush to clinton and missing out the one fact we do know about clinton, he knowingly and illegally lied to your entire country and th world about monica.

you may bring up shoddy evidence for war, but whether that was a malicious lie or not is not proven.

ok im getting the feeling i said something, ok i recall a thread in this post that i said in regards to the reasons bush and his allies presented to the rest of the nations to go to war w/iraq. However, WMD's were not the only reason presented, there other reasons with wich i agree with.

bush and allies emphasised on their strongest point to have 'solidarity'(perhaprs not the word im looking for) of other nations, which was WMD's.

that was my initial point, not that to call bush a liar, once again never have.

Turbinator · 10-20-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

yes turbinator, although clinton did not pay too much attention to sadam, niether did he with all other terror at the time.

the IRA was running wild in Ireland and hte UK which at the time was actually being funded by american citizens.

the arab israelis conflict was being treated like a pre school fight where clinton acted like daddy to both nations

and the 9/11 attacks were being planned during these years... while i am not going to say that he knew as he probably didnt, it wasnt the actions of MR Bush that caused this, and Mr Bush has reacted to all this is a very determined way which i believe gave the world the right message about democracy.

why do people keep going back and compairing bush to clinton and missing out the one fact we do know about clinton, he knowingly and illegally lied to your entire country and th world about monica.

you may bring up shoddy evidence for war, but whether that was a malicious lie or not is not proven.

journalism aside, that is his business and his wifes, frankly monica is lukcy it was the 90's, marilyn monroe was not so lucky

well thats another story

Turbinator · 10-20-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Apophis

How close was your attention to world politics at 11 years old? I know that personally mine wasn't anywhere near what it is today.

thats why i pointed out around 15

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**Wolfie** · 10-23-2004, 11:12 AM

Did you know that John Kerry voted against sending troops to fight SH during the first Desert War? I guess John Kerry was okay with what was going on in Kuwait.

**DudeMan** · 10-23-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

He lied about a blow job... big deal. Name me one guy who wouldnt lie about getting head from a fat chick? Exactly.

if he was a regular joe, yes

he is the president, no sorry not good enough.

**DudeMan** · 10-23-2004, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by leejo

He lied under oath in a civil hearing. If he's lied to his wife (which he did) that wouldn't have been an impeachable matter, but our entire judicial system depends upon people telling the truth when they're supposed to (to investigators, and certainly under oath in a courtroom!) and provides severe penalties when they do not.

Liberals always try to make this about a blowjob - and I will grant you that a President using an office intern as his personal sexual toy isn't exactly high on my list of qualifications for the job - but it's always been about perjury.

absolutly agreed here, it is about the crime, (which was never really dealt with imo) and not the act.

further more Bush did not lie, and has been open and honest about the findings of a independent investigation.

the inteligence was found to be defective however at no point did they say it was fabricated.

**DudeMan** · 10-23-2004, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Did you know that John Kerry voted against sending troops to fight SH during the first Desert War? I guess John Kerry was okay with what was going on in Kuwait.

or maybe its another example of his flaky politics and his indecisions

**CingularDuality** · 10-24-2004, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by eternal

Stuff about indecision making (hehe indecision making, I like that).

What a disingenuous site... Who comes up with this tripe? Y'know, Senator Kerry has changed his mind on things that are inarguable. Nothing significant happened between one position and the position he later takes. His infamous "I voted for it before I voted against it" quote is forgivable. The first bill included DNC pork and the second bill didn't, I understand... Politics...

But to take things out of context and to ignore that the world has drastically changed since President Bush took office is just plain stupid. I don't know who runs the American Progress Action, but they're idiots for making this poster and purporting it to be anything other than pure political propaganda...

**CingularDuality** · 10-24-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by eternal

Cing you got this real bad habit of poo-pooing anything that doesn't follow your political agenda. Rather than discuss it anything that isn't pro-you is stupid, or propaganda, or tripe even.

And you have a real bad habit of taking things personally... I'm just pointing out that the arguments posted on that poster are carefully chosen and the whole story is not quoted. If you don't follow Congress and how they pass laws, then you wouldn't know that. They're not lying, they're simply leaving out or manipulating the truth. Everything there is factual, it's just not the whole story. It's the classic Moore tactic... And I'm tired of it.

**DudeMan** · 10-24-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

And you have a real bad habit of taking things personally... I'm just pointing out that the arguments posted on that poster are carefully chosen and the whole story is not quoted. If you don't follow Congress and how they pass laws, then you wouldn't know that. They're not lying, they're simply leaving out or manipulating the truth. Everything there is factual, it's just not the whole story. It's the classic Moore tactic... And I'm tired of it.

however moore does on occaision (most of the time) add little exadurations of an event that is pure conspiracy and portray it as truth.

and to be honest Eternel i dont think Ciing's argument was at your decision to post this piece. rather the posters author for being a jerk.

**devilman** · 10-24-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Don't drink the Kool Aid!!!

Can you tell us exactly what the lie is? When exactly did the President utter an intentional false statement?

I'm serious. I'd like to know exactly what it was that the President said that you think is a lie. I have yet to have someone answer this question after screaming "Bush Lied!!!@!11"

Couple of good vids here
http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/Menu129.html

**CingularDuality** · 10-24-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by devilman

Couple of good vids here
http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/Menu129.html

Sigh....

I looked through about half a dozen of them and they were nothing but small propaganda videos with Moore-ish type editing or videos of the various people misspeaking. Was there a particular video that impressed you?

**CingularDuality** · 10-24-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eternal

I don't think he ever claimed there wasn't, just that the sight was funny. You have to laugh at bush. He is a funny guy, unintentionally, but he is funny.

Now, what about the site I posted? Have you taken the time to REALLY look it over, and if so, is it still just a propaganda, mooreish website bent on destroying bush's reputation, OR, might they have some credebility and evidence that maybe bush isn't playing straight with us?

Yes, the President's verbal slips are sometimes hilarious. I don't think that should have much of an impact on how anyone votes, though...

I REALLY looked over the page that you posted, and it's a bunch of crap. After reading through that, I did not go to any other pages on that site.

10-23-2004, 11:12 AM	#51 (permalink)
Wolfie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 1,405	Re: Senator Kerry in '04! Did you know that John Kerry voted against sending troops to fight SH during the first Desert War? I guess John Kerry was okay with what was going on in Kuwait.

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