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Discussion: General Forums / The Sandbox - Piracy - Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey
But you're not buying the same product each time. You must
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02-25-2010, 07:56 PM #16
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The way I see it, you are buying the same product. Plenty of people bought films they owned on vhs on dvd. Not that much for the higher quality version of the same product, but because technology changed and they tossed the vhs player away and couldn't play the movies they owned. Basically technology is just improving. It's not like they have to redo anything about the film. They just have to re-copy it from the high-res original.
Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey
If I buy a game on steam I can install it anywhere I want on any system, because I have a license to own that product. Movies should be the same. God everyone should learn from steam. Treat your customers well, and they obviously will gladly pay.
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02-26-2010, 01:14 AM #17
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That may be the way you see it, but the products are most assuredly different. Scratch already mentioned the increase in quality compared between the two. Most VHS's were released in the fullscreen format, while DVD's are now released in widescreen (or wider) formats as standard. The use of fullscreen in VHS's alone makes the same film different on DVD. Originally Posted by BigGaayAl
Even throwing out the increase of quality by using DVD's , the functionality of a DVD is a whole other beast. Granted, when they first came out, DVD's were treated like VHS's, but the way in which you watch a DVD has been significantly altered, namely with the use and addition of chapter selections and play options like language selection and optional commentary.BF 2142:|TG| Birdman10113
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02-26-2010, 01:38 AM #18
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I suppose then you guys won't mind that in the future you will have to buy a new game every time you upgrade your pc, after all it is the same argument. You get new functionality so please huge rich company make me pay again. I can't get my mind around as to why some are trying their best to defend their own getting ripped off.
It reminds me of people defending EA, saying 'they are just a company and it is normal that they want to make money and rip me off so I am happy to be ripped off'.
Do you guys have family working in these industries or something? I just don't get it. The reasoning for saying that it is a substantial new product are so.... flimsy. It's like you guys are the marketeers' wet dream, like the console fanboys, or the apple-tards. (Sorry for that last pun, I wouldn't write it as I do not think you guys are in any way retards, but I think it is too funny in itself to omit).
Maybe you guys see large companies in a fundamentally different light than me. I see them as being dangerous consumer cheating machines that will rip anyone off as badly as they can. As impersonal entities that merit no compassion or consideration. I dread they have procured for themselves legally the status of a person.What it's like to play online games as a grown-up:http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-i...e_gaming/1.jpg
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02-26-2010, 10:04 AM #19
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Actually, new digital players will play your previous movies/music for the most part so if you pop a DVD into a BluRay it should still play. Buying a BluRay copy of Alien when you have one on tape is like buying Doom 3 to replace Doom. There is additional work involved to create the higher quality formats. Originally Posted by BigGaayAl
Of course as a non-American there is no real reason for you to personally respect the copyrights of American companies given by American law just like you don't have to respect our ridiculous drug laws, and I don't respect Australia's ridiculous censorship laws.Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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02-26-2010, 10:35 AM #20
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There isn't that much work. They didn't have to re-shoot the movie or anything. Originally Posted by snooggums
Online streaming is going to take care of this issue for the most part, if media companies would just allow it to happen.I’m not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host.
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02-26-2010, 11:17 AM #21
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While it doesn't require the movie to be reshot, to do a quality BluRay they need to take an original film and modify it to fit the format without it looking like crap, which isn't cheap. There is also the part about movie distribution where Dude Where's My Car costs the same at release as Clerks or Titanic, despise their level of cost and work being completely different. Cost to make and cost to distribute is relative to number of people who will buy it. Originally Posted by El_Gringo_Grande
Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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02-26-2010, 12:30 PM #22
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Not quite. Why is the content provider responsible for compensating you for the obsolescence of the media/encoding it provided you? But I do agree, if compatibility is the issue, you should have the right to upgrade it at your own expense to play on newer systems. (Ie. that's a one-time cost that anyone can accept and those with the right to the original media should be allowed to use the upgrade. I'm not saying you need to pay the original content provider for the upgrade.) Originally Posted by BigGaayAl
I'm not defending them. I'm just pointing out holes in your logic. I'm no fan of IP laws in the first place, and think the privileges granted by them last far too long.I can't get my mind around as to why some are trying their best to defend their own getting ripped off.
Imagine that we're two lawyers about to go into court to argue a client's case. Wouldn't it be good if we critiqued each others' arguments before we get before the jury? That's all I'm doing.Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?
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02-26-2010, 12:34 PM #23
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LOL. I think you're dating me. I remember when TV shows and movies were shot on film. Digitization had all kinds of issues, and film degrades over time unless carefully stored. (Think about Star Trek in 1965. Getting stars to appear on a 500 dot TV screen meant you had to make them really fat. Then as resolutions got higher and new masters were made, they had to redo the stars to make them smaller so they didn't look like gross blobs.) Just think of what has to happen when a new version of Fantasia is released. Originally Posted by BigGaayAl
Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?
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02-26-2010, 01:44 PM #24
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Most movies are still shot on film, at less than 30 FPS.
Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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02-26-2010, 01:57 PM #25
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*giggles* Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey
You're quite the devils advocate you! You have some good points though. I tend to veer off in the opposite direction because IP laws and the whole aspect of free exchange of information on the internet is actually quite close to my heart. I think the internet is one of the few chances humanity has left for people to come together more, and fight eachother less (except for in forums off course). Therefore I see most any limits imposed on it as a severe threat that the powers that be are going to topple this opportunity for unity.What it's like to play online games as a grown-up:http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-i...e_gaming/1.jpg
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02-26-2010, 05:01 PM #26
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They make a digital master of the movie. That is what they work with. The bigger the budget the better the master. Originally Posted by snooggums
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copyright laws are universal, not just in the U.S. if i copyright something here its the same as i copyright it anywhere else. Originally Posted by snooggums
it's just that in the states its enforced as if u committed 1st degree murder(sarcasm much). If im wrong u can scream at me
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03-02-2010, 08:48 AM #28
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I'm screaming at you right now, but the all caps filter is muting me. Originally Posted by kwalc
copyright laws are universal, not just in the u.s. If i copyright something here its the same as i copyright it anywhere else.
It's just that in the states its enforced as if u committed 1st degree murder(sarcasm much). If im wrong u can scream at meJust because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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03-02-2010, 01:15 PM #29
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You are in fact wrong. Copyright laws are unique to each country, and in general if you want something to be protected by copyright in more than one country you have to register it for copyright in each of those countries separately. Originally Posted by Kwalc
copyright laws are universal, not just in the U.S. if i copyright something here its the same as i copyright it anywhere else.
it's just that in the states its enforced as if u committed 1st degree murder(sarcasm much). If im wrong u can scream at me
Or...I might be thinking of patent protections, which are somewhat similar but not quite the same. Maybe copyright applications are global, but even so you'd still face the issue that each country enforces them differently and some don't care at all (*cough china cough*).
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03-02-2010, 01:29 PM #30
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Copyright, like all laws are specific to a country if they exist at all. A lot of countries will have treaties with each other than standardize the laws, so many of the copyright laws of nations are the same or similar, but there is no worldwide law about anything.
Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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