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Voltage Pictures, the production company behind The Hurt Locker, is gearing up to sue
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05-12-2010, 07:11 PM #46
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http://gizmodo.com/5537281/hurt-lock...gainst-pirates
I wonder if this has to do with it not doing so well in theatres?Voltage Pictures, the production company behind The Hurt Locker, is gearing up to sue thousands—no, tens of thousands—of individuals who pirated the film online. Get ready for a huge escalation in the war on P2P.
The suit could hit as early as tomorrow, according to The Hollywood Reporter, as Voltage teams up with the US Copyright Group to target those who downloaded the Oscar-winning film without paying. And they've got the ISPs (mostly) on their side
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05-12-2010, 08:00 PM #47
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Apophis - "TG was created to cater to a VERY specific type of gamer rather than trying to appeal to the greater gaming population....Tactical Gamer is not mainstream. We are not trying to attract mainstream gamers"
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05-19-2010, 08:37 AM #48
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If I download something and don't like it, I delete it. If I get something and find that I do indeed like it, I buy it. As it stands, I still have things to purchase. I will probably not even play these DVDs or media that I purchase, I have no need for hard copies. I buy them simply to support artists or film makers that I like. I already posses their content, I require nothing more from them. However, if I wish to see more content like they have already provided me with it's in my best interest to support them so they can create more.
Also, I found an interesting article.
http://gizmodo.com/5539417/why-i-ste...yline=true&s=i
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05-19-2010, 10:04 AM #49
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Excellent article, the primary points being "We don't want to sell it to X right now" restrictions which are probably due to licensing, but when they are restricting their promotional video they are doing it wrong.
I liked his mentioning of the Disney Vault. Such a thing is a clear abuse of copyright, why should I care about their right to control distribution when they choose not to distribute for years at a time? Shortening the duration of copyright means the videos would be available up until they fell into the public domain.Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.
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05-26-2010, 07:38 PM #50
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An interesting comparison of the Intellectual Property situation in fashion vs other industries. The most impressive moment in it is the graph showing the revenue difference between the industries with more open IP vs those with more closed IP (like software, music and film). There are factors to consider like that everyone needs clothes (well most at least) but not everyone may need DVDs. But still the graphic even though it doesn't say very much, it at least shows that it is entirely viable to do business in a system with very little to no IP framework.
The entertainment industry should be like the fashion industry, building brands people go to because they trust their service to the costumer, they trust that brand to bring innovation interesting to them.
A good example to me is valve. For TeamFortress2, they have provided such an unbelievable amount of new content and support, in close dialog with thier user-base. The result for me is that I would much sooner buy a valve product in the future, because I trust them, and they offer a good value for money. Whereas I would probably never buy an EA or activision etc. product without first testing a pirated version or a demo, and then weighing the abysmal support and and custom content-rip off strategies against the quality of the actual product released.
Valve posted a funny community made joke about this you may have heard of:
-what if activison made tf2
http://kotaku.com/5545662/tf2-maps-get-a-stimulus
-or, what if valve made modern warfare2
http://kotaku.com/5545921/but-what-i...dern-warfare-2
They are funny because they are true, and the difference in level of respect for your customers, level of service, is just ...... so incredibly large. It is hard to believe that activision can actually sell their game. The only reason they are able to afaik, is by pouring huge amounts of $ into a frenzied advertising hype that seems to work on the easily manipulated among us. That seems to in fact be the failing patch-up strategy that most of the companies that cannot adapt to the new environment use as a last resort: push ever more bland products with ever larger advertising budgets (e.g. the general cliches most hollywood movies are stuffed with).
Valve on the other hand... nearly doesn't have to do any advertising, as they are using the new environment for their benefit by building a quality brand that in large is advertised by word of mouth.Last edited by BigGaayAl; 05-26-2010 at 07:57 PM.
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05-27-2010, 10:08 AM #51
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The movie was utterly horrible, that is why it did not do well. Originally Posted by Delta Five Nine
I bought pirate DVD of it on the street and I must have told 50 people how horrible the movie was the first day and when it won, I started telling people again, just random people sometimes, it was THAT BAD of a war movie.One man gathers
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Old discussion is old, but thats not quite what happened. Originally Posted by ScratchMonkey
They "punished" people who unlocked all weapons while running their ranked, stat-tracked servers. They would also de-list you from ranking if you set passwords, etc. This was to help remove stats padders, etc from the rankings list (you were even encouraged to report servers who were actively padding users stats or other disruptive behavior to get their server license revoked.)
If you wanted to run a normal, nonranked (non stat-tracked on EA's backend) server, you were fine to run whatever mods and whatever settings you wanted.
If you wanted to go to EA's stats website and pull up your character and look at KDR, W/L ratios, medals earned, favorite maps, and unlock status, and unlock extra weapons, then you needed to play on a ranked server. You earned nothing towards ranked rewards by playing on unranked (like our PR servers, or POE servers, or anything like that) but you weren't "punished" for it either.
But if you ran a ranked server supported by EA, you needed to follow their TOS.
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06-01-2010, 10:29 PM #54
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The de-listing for unlocks occurred whether you were ranked or not. That's why TG couldn't run an unlocked unranked server. Originally Posted by Bisclaveret
I would prefer to see ranking run by the community, using a "web of trust" model where server admins would connect to community ranking servers that trusted them. TG could then run a ranked server in coordination with other groups that had a similar philosophy. (Texas Team Players comes to mind.)Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?
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I think you've misinterpreted me. I meant I wonder if the reason they're mass-sueing is because it didn't do well. Originally Posted by CallousDisregard
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06-02-2010, 12:37 AM #56
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It is correct though. What is with that movie! I mean it is somewhat entertaining, but I fell asleep during it both times I attempted to watch it. Still haven't got further than realizing it is about a cocky guy with a death wish defusing bombs and stuff.
Oh I remember the reporter running from incoming fire using the zig-zag method. That was the best moment.
But still on the money saying there is no way in hell that movie diserved honors...For what? It is just average. At least Avatar had original things to offer me although the main character was a total ignorant [male genitalia]. That will probably be the only movie I pay for this year, unless they bring out an new 3D film that is as interesting.What it's like to play online games as a grown-up:http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-i...e_gaming/1.jpg
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I pretty much agree with Evo<^|SiNz|^>
Well, you will NEVER convince me that burning/stealing a copy of anything is OK. I don't care of your justification or whatever, it's still wrong.
It's insulting that I have to watch the ads. So what? Then don't buy it. The "it's insulitng to make me watch it so that justifies me breaking the law" is weak and laughable. There are many things in life that are insutling, but that doesn't excuse breaking the law. If you want to teach them, don't get it at all.
The time factor is also not particularly good. While it's downloading and ripping, you can do something else. Guess what, while the ads are playing, you can do something else. That pretty much nulifies that argument. You only have to do it once? So? 2-3 minutes vs how many hours to download? Still ahead in the buy it department unless you watch it a LOT.
now, I can understand the concept of backing up something - my 4 year old is pretty hard on DVDs and CDs. lots of scratches. I'd make backups for some stuff there.
I can understand doing things with it once you have bought it. This goes for making mix CDs or ripping mp3s for your own personal use, not for giving away.
I can understand some of the points that are made, but for me - they're just not solid enough for me to even consider it a real argument.
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on the bittorrent sueing over Hurt Locker - just have to say I'm surprised it's taken this long. I seriously kept waiting for some massive lawsuit on something like this. One of the reasons I've never used a bittorrent program - paranoia. Especially after the napster situation. They will continue to sue (and I would say rightfully so, see my above post) until some way to pirate comes along where it is impossible to get the IP addresses.
As I said, I think their lawsuits are entirely justified, but not that I think it's the smartest idea. It will honestly depend on how well it ends for them. As for spreading ill will, I don't know how much that really will matter. Seriously, how many people ONLY pirate material made by specific companies, but then pay money for other company's material? Most people I know copy for other reasons, not because of the company. Too cheap, thinks it will suck too much to pay for it, etc...Last edited by Skylark; 06-08-2010 at 04:53 PM. Reason: added material
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Look at the link now... LOL Originally Posted by Scattershot
So yeah, censorship so they don't look like morons.Post:Where the bloody hell did 6 pages of our complains go?
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06-09-2010, 06:35 PM #59
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The point of copyright and patent is to encourage innovation, not guarantee a high-profit living forever. The duration should be enough to pay back the investment plus a "reasonable" profit (look at other industries to see what the average profit rate is) and a bit more for the encouragement part. Then no more rights past that period. Past that point, it goes into the public domain, so others can leverage it for yet further innovation.
Note that the big money lobbying for perpetual copyright is from the publishing industry, not the content creators. They're the equivalent of the buggy whip makers who are threatened by the new auto industry.Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?
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06-10-2010, 11:48 PM #60
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@ Skylark.
I think you are looking at this discussion from the wrong frame of reference. You are looking at the problem from the point of view of the last 50 years, where the musicindustry has grown huge and appropriated strong legal frameworks to secure it's power and profits. Even though it is now mostly obsolete, you can see the huge power and leverage it has created in the fury of it's struggle to retain a raison d'être.
I propose you take a longer historical view. Music was always there, creativity was always there, and copyright only started to come into play in the days of mozart and the great composers, when music was first written down on paper. But it really became an issue once people were found ways of physically storing music (grammophone records). So will music or creativity suffer from total destruction of the industry you defend so misplacedly? I have not heard any non-laughable argument that says so.
I propose furthermore that the burdon of evidence is not on the pirate, to prove he has good reasons why he should copy without paying. NO!, the burdon of evidence is on the industry (movie or otherwise) to prove to us the usefullness of the current system of copyright in the first place.
The old system has symply become obsolete. Surpassed by societal evolution that is already there much more than people see. The copyright framework I would find useful in this new reality is the following: the only copying that should be illegal, is making copies of things you have not created to distribute them for profit.
Reading your arguments, while coherent, it just makes me think either you are someone you care about has a personal financial stake in keeping the obsolete system going. I could not think of a way reason in which the realization of your views would be beneficial for you or society.What it's like to play online games as a grown-up:http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-i...e_gaming/1.jpg
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