Bin Laden Transcript - Page 2

**_Ender_** · 10-31-2004, 05:38 PM

I know what nifi is going as for holloween... a sheep!

**_Ender_** · 10-31-2004, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

I wouldn't say that his speech was particularly eloquent. What I will say is that clearly, he has learned how to address the american public more effectively. When 50% of the population believes Michael Moore and what he's saying, Bin Laden stands a decent chance of getting those folks to lend an ear.

I so agree with this statement. I do believe that Binny has been watching Moore and how he addresses crowds. I also believe that Binny has been learning from him on how to address us.

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What bothers me is that Mr. Bin Laden (can I call him Mr. Bin? Or is it Mr. Laden?) is that he seems to feel that Governor Bush and President Bush Jr. were put in their positions because Pres. Bush Sr. wanted it to be that way. The people of Florida CHOSE to put Jeb in office. They can elect him out next election season if they so choose. Additionally, no matter how you spin it, George W. Bush won the last election. Our Supreme Court in the end made the decision, not George Bush Sr. Whenever there is something close to a tie, no matter what we're discussing- politics, sports, etc. there will always be this "no fair" whining. It doesn't mean there is suddenly a big conspiracy to discover.

Didnt Bushy Sr. put those guys in power though (Supreme Court members)? If not then I apologize, but I do believe that the President gets to choose who the Supreme Court is. So... if you wanted to say that one hand washes the other, then do so. I'm not saying its this big conspiracy thing either, but its quite known in politics that one hand washes the other.

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And regarding Bush waiting a whole 7 minutes before responding- what was he expected to do, really? Jump up, go running out of the classroom with his arms flailing, shouting "THE TERRORISTS ARE COMING! THE TERRORISTS ARE COMING!"? He is not the person who needed to appear shocked or scared. He needed to appear calm and in control. Surely, all of the people that we have specifically for such an event were doing their jobs. Disaster teams react. We have people to handle these incidences. Bush is not a dictator- local officials and government establishments do not wait with baited breath to see what he is going to tell them to do.

I guess it depends on the person. Me personally, I know for a fact that if I got a message saying "a plane as just crashed into one of the Twin Towers" then I would have wanted to know more info. As soon as I heard that "a second plane has crashed into the Twin Towers" then I would of got up calmy and walked out of the room. Bushy didnt do that. To be honest, he looked confused, like he didnt know what he was doing.

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What I would really like to know from Mr. Bin Laden is what exactly he figures the common American has to do with his personal issues against the US. In 1982, I was 4 years old. What happened in Lebanon has nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with the average citizen. And yet, it is us whom he targets. I guarantee you that of the over 3000 victims from 9/11 at best a tiny fraction of them knew a damn thing about Lebanon or had anything to do with it.

He mentions women and children, and how they're getting killed. I feel that him attacking the Twin Towers was our awaking so to speak. It was him (Binny) saying "you kill our woman and children so we kill yours". Just my opinion though.

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There's a right way to handle issues, and a wrong way. Sending a video to the American people explaining your position is a good way. Sending a video to the American people only after slaughtering thousands of us? That's the wrong way.

Well, its not really the wrong way. See ever since 9\11 we have been asking ourselves "why?". Why has he attacked us and we got many different answers from many different people. This video was Binny telling us why he did it, what his motives were.

**GhostintheShell** · 10-31-2004, 06:23 PM

I think that the last lines in your post sums it up for me right now. (Ender)

Everyone wants to know why he attacked the US on 9/11, and everybody BUT Bin Laden has told us. Now HE is telling us why, and I think we should perhaps listen for a second.

As far as the eloquence of his speech goes, well thats a matter of taste. I never realised his speech was translated. I assumed he was speaking in English, as he was educated in England at Oxford. Translation lends itself to interpretation...interpretation is also not perfect and lends itself well to "spin".

**DudeMan** · 10-31-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

I know what nifi is going as for holloween... a sheep!

that isnt just unfair its out of order. say what you will about george bush but do not insult someone for their political beliefs.

**DudeMan** · 10-31-2004, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

I think that the last lines in your post sums it up for me right now. (Ender)

Everyone wants to know why he attacked the US on 9/11, and everybody BUT Bin Laden has told us. Now HE is telling us why, and I think we should perhaps listen for a second.

As far as the eloquence of his speech goes, well thats a matter of taste. I never realised his speech was translated. I assumed he was speaking in English, as he was educated in England at Oxford. Translation lends itself to interpretation...interpretation is also not perfect and lends itself well to "spin".

will listening to the most perfect of reasons and logical of actions replace the hatred i have for him. not at all, i will not and cannot entertain any reasoning behind killing on mass innocent people as a plan of action.

irreguardless of what the man says because he is not quite decided himself if he wanted to hit the towers. i know he wanted the towers, he hit the towers and no amount of saying sorry or trying to reason with anyone is going to take the blaim and punishment away from him. so why must we entertain in such detail the rantings of a misinformed militant islamic.

**luna** · 10-31-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

I so agree with this statement. I do believe that Binny has been watching Moore and how he addresses crowds. I also believe that Binny has been learning from him on how to address us.

Catering to the guilt-ridden american public is, unfortunately, one certain way to get attention from those wishing to take on even more blame.

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Didnt Bushy Sr. put those guys in power though (Supreme Court members)? If not then I apologize, but I do believe that the President gets to choose who the Supreme Court is. So... if you wanted to say that one hand washes the other, then do so. I'm not saying its this big conspiracy thing either, but its quite known in politics that one hand washes the other.

Bushy Sr. appointed 2 of them. The breakdown is as follows:

Clinton- Breyer, Ginsburg
Bushy Sr.- Thomas, Souter
Regan- Kennedy, Rehnquist, Scalia, O'Connor
Ford- Stevens

So no, the elder Bush isn't responsible solely for the nomination of the court. If we want to finger ANYONE, Regan nominated at least twice as many justices than any other president in recent history.

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I guess it depends on the person. Me personally, I know for a fact that if I got a message saying "a plane as just crashed into one of the Twin Towers" then I would have wanted to know more info. As soon as I heard that "a second plane has crashed into the Twin Towers" then I would of got up calmy and walked out of the room. Bushy didnt do that. To be honest, he looked confused, like he didnt know what he was doing.

See, but that is in hindsight. In hindsight, I wouldn't have laughed when I heard the first tower was struck. At the time, it was the only response I could muster. Mind you, the laughing stopped when the 2nd plane hit. Then this dumbstruck look (probably much like Bush's) overcame me. In reality, what did you really expect him to do, though? Sure, he could've taken a roomful of very little children and abruptly got up and left. Then what? Call Giuliani up on his cell and ask him what the hell is going on? Beg Cheney or or Condi for some input? What could they have done? He left the decisions to the people on the ground. Honestly, I think it was one of the wisest things he could've done. Stop, think, then think some more.

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Well, its not really the wrong way. See ever since 9\11 we have been asking ourselves "why?". Why has he attacked us and we got many different answers from many different people. This video was Binny telling us why he did it, what his motives were.

Maybe I'm alone on this one, but since 9/11 I haven't been asking why. I've felt that I know why. The man feels oppressed, infringed upon, and dare I say jealous. Keep in mind, the guy is a multi-millionairre. He sure isn't suffering that badly. Maybe he could put some of his millions into helping the suffering his community is going through, instead of putting it into terrorist cells to "even the score" of a fight most of us have never been a part of?

**DudeMan** · 10-31-2004, 09:23 PM

Maybe I'm alone on this one, but since 9/11 I haven't been asking why. I've felt that I know why. The man feels oppressed, infringed upon, and dare I say jealous. Keep in mind, the guy is a multi-millionairre. He sure isn't suffering that badly. Maybe he could put some of his millions into helping the suffering his community is going through, instead of putting it into terrorist cells to "even the score" of a fight most of us have never been a part of?

well said Luna...

i think people do sometimes forget that binladen is imensly rich and is the reason for the oppression in alot of places.

take this for an analogy,

in a recent survey to see if the English judical system is up to date and if judges were infact able to pass judgment on poorer people who face very different lives. many judges were asked how much a pint of milk was, an the replies that were given were shocking.

now tell me Mr binladen knows how the poor and oppressed people in his country feel, with his hundreds of supporters, millions of currency and anything he wants... even now his money is keeping him from justice.

**CingularDuality** · 10-31-2004, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

Didnt Bushy Sr. put those guys in power though (Supreme Court members)? If not then I apologize, but I do believe that the President gets to choose who the Supreme Court is. So... if you wanted to say that one hand washes the other, then do so. I'm not saying its this big conspiracy thing either, but its quite known in politics that one hand washes the other.

I dunno about hand washing, but President GHW Bush appointed two justices to the Supreme Court: Clarence Thomas and David Souter. This is the most lasting legacy that a President can do and is one of the reasons why this election is so important. Knowing Senator Kerry's voting record, I'm honestly and literally afraid of who he might try to appoint.

As for OBL's speech, I don't think it's any more important than any of his other speeches. I don't think that it is necessarily honest or heartfelt. I think it is carefully calculated to have a certain impact on Americans right before the election. OBL is not stupid or naive.

**DudeMan** · 10-31-2004, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

As for OBL's speech, I don't think it's any more important than any of his other speeches. I don't think that it is necessarily honest or heartfelt. I think it is carefully calculated to have a certain impact on Americans right before the election. OBL is not stupid or naive.

and thats the bottom line, i would also venture that he has timed it with michael moores video as a bonus.

it seems both these people wish to prey on the stupid and nieve, and are doing a good job of it, hmmm if i had a gun and one bullet and i could shoot obl or MM that would be a tough choice... lol

**_Ender_** · 10-31-2004, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

that isnt just unfair its out of order. say what you will about george bush but do not insult someone for their political beliefs.

Thats the problem, its not his political belief. He's been watching too many commercials. To start out by saying "osama bin laden must be destroyed, freedom fighter or a terrorist and i believe that george w bush has the strength to destroy him.". Is totally false and really naive. If Bush has the strength to destroy him, then why hasnt he yet? The simple fact is, the current administration cant find him. So instead of continually looking for him by putting more troops out there, we dont. We take half of those troops who were supposed to be looking for OBL and put them in this stupid war that really has nothing to do with anything. Wow, a madman is now on trial to only be replaced by more terrorist. What a big victory. Then to continue to say "john kerry?! he's a man of only words, everything that he's telling us he's only telling us the stuff that we want to hear.". Well how exactly do we know? Yes, right now they are only words since guess what? He isnt the President. The fact is we dont have know how Kerry would handle things. He might be better, he might be worse, no body really knows. But to say that he is only a man of words is a little prejudicial (look mom a big word!), dont ya think?

And then he says "he will slack off on the war against terrorism.". Ok.... so what has Bush done for the war on terror? You know, besides creating more of it? Besides capturing some generals that most likely got replaced right after their capture, he has done nothing to help find OBL. He hasnt sent more troops to look for him, in fact other then these niffity videos he sends us every couple of months, we have pretty much forgot about him.

Next he attacks Kerry for saying that he wont lie to us to get us to go to war, but he will continually fight the war on terror. See nifi has been watching too much CNN. he thinks that this war has something to do with all the terrorism (judging by his nice niffity little quote there to Mr. Kerry) that we had, especially 9\11 when the truth is. Bush's own people said that Saddam had nothing to do with it. So to cover his own ass (Bushy), he says that Saddam was on the verg of getting WMDs and if he did, he could and would sell them to our enemies. Bush exagerated the reports he was getting into making us think that Saddam was a threat, when in reality he wasnt. Now I didnt say he lied, he just exagerated... a lot...

The fact is, yes maybe Kerry could do better.. he cant do any worse IMHO. He seems like he knows what he is doing and what he is talking about. He also seems like he doesnt need to be constantly told what to do an what to say. My vote is going to Kerry, not just because of his stance on the war. There are a lot of different reasons for my decision. I've actually done research, not watched a bunch of Bush bashing commercials. I was not insulting him personally, or his views. He is free to vote for whoever he wants. However, it does seem like he is just going with the flock (flocks are for sheep too right? or was it a herd?) instead of making an informed decision. But who am I to say? It doesnt really matter anyway, this country is already so far down the crappy that we should all just move to Canada..

EDIT: I also find it sort of ironic that you, Dudeman, of all people are telling me what is unfair and out of order... I've read some of your posts... and man, mine was tame compared to them.

**_Ender_** · 10-31-2004, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

irreguardless of what the man says because he is not quite decided himself if he wanted to hit the towers. i know he wanted the towers, he hit the towers and no amount of saying sorry or trying to reason with anyone is going to take the blaim and punishment away from him. so why must we entertain in such detail the rantings of a misinformed militant islamic.

He isnt trying to say sorry, he giving his reason for doing it.

Lune & Dave: Thanks for the info. I knew he didnt appoint all of them, but I was sure he appointed at least 1.

**CingularDuality** · 10-31-2004, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

Thats the problem, its not his political belief. He's been watching too many commercials. To start out by saying "osama bin laden must be destroyed, freedom fighter or a terrorist and i believe that george w bush has the strength to destroy him.". Is totally false and really naive. If Bush has the strength to destroy him, then why hasnt he yet? The simple fact is, the current administration cant find him. So instead of continually looking for him by putting more troops out there, we dont. We take half of those troops who were supposed to be looking for OBL and put them in this stupid war that really has nothing to do with anything. Wow, a madman is now on trial to only be replaced by more terrorist. What a big victory. Then to continue to say "john kerry?! he's a man of only words, everything that he's telling us he's only telling us the stuff that we want to hear.". Well how exactly do we know? Yes, right now they are only words since guess what? He isnt the President. The fact is we dont have know how Kerry would handle things. He might be better, he might be worse, no body really knows. But to say that he is only a man of words is a little prejudicial (look mom a big word!), dont ya think?

And then he says "he will slack off on the war against terrorism.". Ok.... so what has Bush done for the war on terror? You know, besides creating more of it? Besides capturing some generals that most likely got replaced right after their capture, he has done nothing to help find OBL. He hasnt sent more troops to look for him, in fact other then these niffity videos he sends us every couple of months, we have pretty much forgot about him.

Next he attacks Kerry for saying that he wont lie to us to get us to go to war, but he will continually fight the war on terror. See nifi has been watching too much CNN. he thinks that this war has something to do with all the terrorism (judging by his nice niffity little quote there to Mr. Kerry) that we had, especially 9\11 when the truth is. Bush's own people said that Saddam had nothing to do with it. So to cover his own ass (Bushy), he says that Saddam was on the verg of getting WMDs and if he did, he could and would sell them to our enemies. Bush exagerated the reports he was getting into making us think that Saddam was a threat, when in reality he wasnt. Now I didnt say he lied, he just exagerated... a lot...

The fact is, yes maybe Kerry could do better.. he cant do any worse IMHO. He seems like he knows what he is doing and what he is talking about. He also seems like he doesnt need to be constantly told what to do an what to say. My vote is going to Kerry, not just because of his stance on the war. There are a lot of different reasons for my decision. I've actually done research, not watched a bunch of Bush bashing commercials. I was not insulting him personally, or his views. He is free to vote for whoever he wants. However, it does seem like he is just going with the flock (flocks are for sheep too right? or was it a herd?) instead of making an informed decision. But who am I to say? It doesnt really matter anyway, this country is already so far down the crappy that we should all just move to Canada..

And you called someone else a sheep??? C'mon... Quit parroting the Democrats' talking points and start talking straight.

**luna** · 10-31-2004, 11:15 PM

Diverted 1/2 the troops?

Ender, please go check your facts before saying something like that.

Straight from the horses' mouth: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/19/op...tml?oref=login

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Originally Posted by General Tommy Franks, commander of Allied Forces in Afghanistan

As we planned for potential military action in Iraq and conducted counterterrorist operations in several other countries in the region, Afghanistan remained a center of focus. Neither attention nor manpower was diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. When we started Operation Iraqi Freedom we had about 9,500 troops in Afghanistan, and by the time we finished major combat operations in Iraq last May we had more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan.

**_Ender_** · 10-31-2004, 11:56 PM

I checked the facts before hand. I'm trying to find that web site where I saw it. When I do I will post it.

I should really bookmark these things..

**USN_Squid** · 11-01-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

Then to continue to say "john kerry?! he's a man of only words, everything that he's telling us he's only telling us the stuff that we want to hear.". Well how exactly do we know?

John Kerry has had 20 years in Congress. You would think there would be one shining moment of leadership. One example of him standing up and showing strength in the face of diversity. There is NOTHING to show for his time there.

10-31-2004, 05:38 PM	#16 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 29 Posts: 2,048	Re: Bin Laden Transcript I know what nifi is going as for holloween... a sheep!

10-31-2004, 06:23 PM	#18 (permalink)
GhostintheShell Join Date: May 2003 Location: Guelph, Ontario Age: 37 Posts: 963	Re: Bin Laden Transcript I think that the last lines in your post sums it up for me right now. (Ender) Everyone wants to know why he attacked the US on 9/11, and everybody BUT Bin Laden has told us. Now HE is telling us why, and I think we should perhaps listen for a second. As far as the eloquence of his speech goes, well thats a matter of taste. I never realised his speech was translated. I assumed he was speaking in English, as he was educated in England at Oxford. Translation lends itself to interpretation...interpretation is also not perfect and lends itself well to "spin".

10-31-2004, 09:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: Bin Laden Transcript Maybe I'm alone on this one, but since 9/11 I haven't been asking why. I've felt that I know why. The man feels oppressed, infringed upon, and dare I say jealous. Keep in mind, the guy is a multi-millionairre. He sure isn't suffering that badly. Maybe he could put some of his millions into helping the suffering his community is going through, instead of putting it into terrorist cells to "even the score" of a fight most of us have never been a part of? well said Luna... i think people do sometimes forget that binladen is imensly rich and is the reason for the oppression in alot of places. take this for an analogy, in a recent survey to see if the English judical system is up to date and if judges were infact able to pass judgment on poorer people who face very different lives. many judges were asked how much a pint of milk was, an the replies that were given were shocking. now tell me Mr binladen knows how the poor and oppressed people in his country feel, with his hundreds of supporters, millions of currency and anything he wants... even now his money is keeping him from justice. __________________ The Queen "Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life," *Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community* TheFeniX "Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

10-31-2004, 11:56 PM	#29 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 29 Posts: 2,048	Re: Bin Laden Transcript I checked the facts before hand. I'm trying to find that web site where I saw it. When I do I will post it. I should really bookmark these things..

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