CingularDuality

Well, I dunno... 20 years is a long time... I did some research, and found out that he actually wrote 5 bills that then became signed into law during those twenty years. One names a federal building after a war hero, one gives away federal funding to woman-owned businesses, one tries to save-the-dolphins, one to fund the National Sea Grant College Program, and one that let a criminal alien named Kil Joon Yu Callahan have permanent residence in the United States.

I doubt that this great nation would be the same if it weren't for the courage of Senator John Forbes Kerry selflessly creating such important laws!

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As a side note...

People need to stop forcing a relation between "the war on terror" and September 11th. September 11th was one event planned by one specific organization against the United States. The war on terror is much larger than just 9/11. The goal of this war isn't to simply find and kill Bin Laden.

This was is pre-emptive. This war is eliminating terrorists cells in the places they live and in the countries that would harbor and aid them. Did Saddam have anything to do with 9/11? Probably not. Did Saddam's regime support and harbor terrorists? You bet.

Saddam provided CASH PAYMENTS to the families of suicide bombers attacking Israeli or American interests. Do you not remember this? It was all over the news several years ago, well before 9/11.

It may be foreign for people to see war as a pre-emptive act. But in our lives we do things pre-emptively all the time. We try and eat well and exercise to make sure we are healthy in the future, we brush our teeth to make sure our teeth don't rot and fall out, we buy insurance so we can pay to have our cars fixed or homes rebuilt.

Noah built the ark BEFORE the rain, not after.

I think too many people are getting their information from either "entertainment" sources like the Daily Show, hate driven sources like Michael Moore, or politically motivated news agencies. I hear people CONSTANTLY spouting off the talking points of the anti-Bush crowd and perpetuating half-truths in an effort to defend their presidental choice or their anti-establishment viewpoint.

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bboyslim56

[QUOTE\]As for OBL's speech, I don't think it's any more important than any of his other speeches. I don't think that it is necessarily honest or heartfelt. I think it is carefully calculated to have a certain impact on Americans right before the election. OBL is not stupid or naive.[/quote]


Alhough your points are true in some ways I do not belive that it was meant to impact our opinions on the election in any way I think OBL was just trying to make a point and I do think its fair that he has the right to his own opinion whether we agree or disagree it doesnt matter because we may agree or disagree but what is said is done and even though we may not like it if you read it a few times over you may understand that some of the things that are said you may not want to think are true and may want to think America is perfect but some are true and are not always good. Now dont get me wrong im just as anti-terrorist as the next American but i have read his speach over and over again and some his views and ideas I do agree with.

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USN_Squid

UPDATE: bIN LADEN WAS WARNING EACH STATE IN AMERICA TO VOTE FOR KERRY, OR ELSE.

I guess John Kerry didn't quite convince everyone that he is going to be tough on terror. baaaaah, baaaaah <-my best sheep impression

New York Post Article
November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race — and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.
The respected Middle East Media Research Institute, which monitors and translates Arabic media and Internet sites, said initial translations of a key portion of bin Laden's video rant to the American people Friday night missed an ostentatious bid by the Saudi-born terror master to divide American voters and tilt the election towards Democratic challenger John Kerry.

MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden's diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an "enemy" and any state that votes for Kerry has "chosen to make peace with us."

USN_Squid

Well said..

Colin Powell and Condi Rice recently wrote these columns and explain this concept very well. W has said it before, but the media doesn't seem to focus on it much.

From Condi's column:

"Since 9/11, America has built a coalition of some 90 countries that are sharing intelligence and working closely to combat the threat from transnational terrorism. Together, we have captured or killed thousands of terrorists. We have disrupted terrorist plots and broken up terrorist cells from Europe to the Middle East to Southeast Asia.

"Through action and diplomacy, we are also shifting the geo-strategic balance and shrinking the terrorists' world. A fundamental objective of war is to take the enemy's territory and this war is no different. But the way we are taking their territory is different. State sponsors of terror have a choice abandon their support of terror, or face the consequences. The Taliban made the wrong choice…

"The terrorists' world continues to get smaller. The places where they can operate with impunity are becoming fewer and fewer. And we will not rest until there is no safe place left for terrorists to hide."

"Already our commitment to freedom is helping to spur a great debate throughout the broader Middle East. From Morocco to Jordan to Qatar, we are seeing elections and new protections for women, and the beginnings of political pluralism. Political, civil society, and business leaders have issued stirring calls for political, economic and social change. And in Afghanistan last week we witnessed extraordinary testimony to the power of the vote. A U.S. soldier in Afghanistan reported with awe what he witnessed in the Afghan elections. This soldier talked about the Afghans that began lining up hours before sunrise in the falling snow to vote. He talked about lines of patient Afghans, some of them amputees, waiting to vote in lines that reached, in one case, 2.5 kilometers long. And he talked about former Taliban elements who came into one Afghan town to try to intimidate the local citizens into not voting, but were met by the village population and refused entry into the village.

"To those that have seen only chaos to those who said that Afghanistan was a failure to those who did not believe that freedom could change peoples' lives or that America would have to impose freedom, the Afghan people have delivered a crushing rebuke the Taliban could not stop the advance of freedom, votes have been cast and the elections were a success. Challenges lie ahead, but Afghanistan has shown what is possible when democracy becomes an alternative to terror, repression and fear.

"When Iraqis go to the polls next year to elect a government and put behind them their brutal history democracy's power will be affirmed again. That opportunity exists today because America and a Coalition acted to remove one of the most brutal and dangerous regimes in the Middle East."

Tempus

Since Condi says it, it must be true. However, the reality is that Islamic extremism is gaining popularity in plenty of places, especially SE Asia. Iraq and Afghanistan are no better places today than they were 3 years ago, and in fact, if 'democratic' elections were held today, religious extremists would win in both of those countries. As bad as Saddam was, and he was bad, his eventual replacement (unless we keep a puppet government there for a LONG time) will be much worse than he ever was, for at least under his regime, things were secular and relatively under his control. Saddam was motivated by self-interest, not Allah, and believe it or not, that was safer. Now there are suicide bombers there, and people with that much fervor are the most dangerous of people.

leejo

Yeah but how many of the suicide bombers are Iraqi?

Instead of fighting these nutjobs on their turf and on their schedule, we're fighting them in a place that they know about as well as we do. They can blow themselves up, we can take over cities at will. It's a fight on our terms.

USN_Squid

What junk. Please provide us the best proof you have that Condi is a liar and the elections in Afghanistan were not democratic. One of the challengers to Karzai made a very diplomatic concession speech. He was a WAR LORD three years ago. He would have sooner killed Karzai than paritcipate in an election and politely concede defeat. It seems to me that your opinion is driving your statements not reality.

luna

Tempus, that is a whole lot of assumption with absolutely nothing to back it up aside from personal pessimistic opinion. Unless you somehow know more than the rest of us on this topic, I suggest that you check your facts before making assertions of this sort.

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Tempus

I really don't keep a link to every piece of information I've accumulated over the years, and I cannot provide supporting evidence every time that I think for myself, but if everyone that thinks that what the government says is true 'just because' and doesn't bother to think things out for themselves or consider other possibilities, then we really are in trouble.

Let's not all be sheep.

luna

So wait a second- are we supposed to believe what you or Michael Moore say is simply true instead? Find me a shread of factual information to back up what you're asserting. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. And another thing- just because what an official says isn't something you agree with doesn't mean it's a lie. You can't just make stuff up to support your stance. Back it up.

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DudeMan

i dont care if his reasoning makes lots of sense , as i have already said if you had cared to read rater than just pick.

apo said

hmm going to have to shoot you in the foot slightly here, but some of the most funding the IRA got was from americans, whilst it wasnt government, your government wasnt exactly stoppng or caring for that matter, and the IRA are a very organised cell.

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IceCold

OK, I'll take what you say for what it's worth, but you need to explain why you think Afghanistan is worse off than it was 3 years ago. All the evidence that I've seen, including talking to people that have been there in the past 3 years indicates otherwise. They've had democratic elections which included women getting to vote! Women there are allowed to attend school for the first time in their lives. Granted, in the months after the taliban fell, there was some chaos, but believe me, that country is far, far better off now than it was 3 years ago...

If you choose to believe that Iraq was better with a murderous dictator in power, than go for it. I can see the pessimistic view on Iraq and I agree that it can be argued that Iraq is worse off now than it was 3 years ago. But I believe that things are getting better there. Freedom is costly, but I believe that now that the people of Iraq have tasted it, they will start fighting. We already see that the terrorists there are attacking the people of Iraq more than they attack Americans or our allies.

Once again, someone with no arguments other than their emotions feel that it's OK to label others as "sheep". If that's what you want to call people that support the fight for freedom to all, then Baaa-aaa to you, sir.

IceCold

Actually, law enforcement over here were going after people that knowingly funded the IRA.

leejo

This story discusses a world-wide online poll in which Sen Kerry won a mock election in a landslide.

Interestingly, one of the few countries that supports Bush is Iraq (see paragraph 3). They must think they're better off now than they were before.