Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? - Page 2

HairyNevus · 11-16-2004, 11:47 PM

Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

If it needs to be a crime, then it may not be 'murder' yet. But aside from that it's wrong, cruel, and very wrathful. I hope you people who defend the marine don't condone his actions.

IceCold · 11-17-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HairyNevus

Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

If it needs to be a crime, then it may not be 'murder' yet. But aside from that it's wrong, cruel, and very wrathful. I hope you people who defend the marine don't condone his actions.

Not knowing the entire situation, I'll defend that Marine from this prejudgement that is happening.

Whether or not he did the right thing from the facts available to him at the time remains to be seen. Tragic accidents happen even in war. If a police officer is responding to a scene where he believes the suspect is armed, the officer tells the suspect to stop and not move and the suspect then reaches into his waistband and pulls a wallet on the officer, does that make the officer wrong if he shoots the suspect? No. This could be a very similar situation, except in a combat zone where the odds of running into someone trying to kill you is much, much higher...

Again, to call this Marine a murderer based on the limited information is definitely wrong.

**TheFeniX** · 11-17-2004, 11:50 AM

From what my buddy tells me from watching the news, the day before this happened, an insurgent was playing dead and when a marine went to roll his body over he let go of a grenade killing himself and 4 American marines.

**CingularDuality** · 11-17-2004, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by USN_Squid

WARNING: Full enedited video

http://tv.reuters.com/index.jsp?fr_s...fa4885c0fb9f0f

I don't see how anyone can take issue with the General's statement.

**leejo** · 11-17-2004, 03:48 PM

http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/

interesting read on the subject in general.

**USN_Squid** · 11-17-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

From what my buddy tells me from watching the news, the day before this happened, an insurgent was playing dead and when a marine went to roll his body over he let go of a grenade killing himself and 4 American marines.

LINK
A colonel who recently returned from his second tour of duty in Iraq, told Arab News the Marine in question was wounded in the face the previous day; and that a Marine in the same unit had been killed a day earlier, and five others wounded, as they tended to the booby trapped dead body of an insurgent.

“They use bodies as booby traps all the time,” said the Marine colonel, who spoke anonymously. “They wait until Marines are close, then they detonate themselves. From what I hear, the unit didn’t know those guys were supposed to be there

**DudeMan** · 11-17-2004, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

HAHAHA, faking death, trying to escape, what a load.

Do you actually believe this crap you are manufacturing to justify what we all just saw in that video?

I watched it like 10 times and never saw any good reason for that dude to go ballistic (literally) and shoot the other guy.

God forbid he should still be breathing, because now he's "faking death". If he was actually dead beforehand we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If he was alive he was an unarmed, injured, insurgent and deserved to die.
If he was dead then he was a dead insurgent and deserved to die.
Thats screwed up logic that is.

If he was left there to be medivac'd he was already a US prisoner. He was in their care as a POW, they should have left a guard with the prisoners. If you shoot an unarmed POW, and its called a war crime.

yeah anyway,

lets call him a murder because of a shaky piece of film, lets take a snippit of video and then condem the scenario because ofcourse you know what its like there.

**DudeMan** · 11-17-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HairyNevus

Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

If it needs to be a crime, then it may not be 'murder' yet. But aside from that it's wrong, cruel, and very wrathful. I hope you people who defend the marine don't condone his actions.

i dont know, i risk a judgement here, because i know in my state of mind it is wrong. but these are the same guys who torture and then slowly cut the heads off innocent civillians. and while for now at least ill shy away from condoning it, i wont feel sorry for him.

**DudeMan** · 11-17-2004, 04:45 PM

it has no baring but the definition of muder in ENgland is,

The killing,
of another human being
in any country of the realm
UNDER THE QUEENS PEACE

unfortunatly for you guys the latter dont apply in england he is exempt from the charge of murder, only manslaughter and neglegence.

and ofcourse the mens-rea is maliceaforthought.

**Wolfie** · 11-17-2004, 05:42 PM

The marine is a soldier whose job is to deliever lethal force to an enemy combatant to prevent him from achieving his objectives.

The terrorists/insurgants have shown that they are willing to use themselves to kill marines who restrain from delievering the killing blow.

If there is anyone to blame for the behavior of the marine, it is the insurgants themselves for putting the soldiers in that position. If a criminal runs into a house and grabs a child to use as a shield, then fires into law enforcement personal/civilians, do we blame the officers for returning fire to try and protect other innocents?

**Wolfie** · 11-17-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HairyNevus

Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought..

Stupidity: Not taking out an enemy combatant who has shown a willingness to use injury or fake a death to kill more of your fellow soldiers.

HairyNevus · 11-17-2004, 06:13 PM

That specific combatant has shown willingness to fake death to kill more soldiers in the past? One guy does it and now they're all guilty of attempting it even with the least bit of evidence? I may not know a lot from the tape but I have to question if the marine was even thinking the body might be booby-trapped or just doing it out of pure wrath.

**DudeMan** · 11-17-2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HairyNevus

That specific combatant has shown willingness to fake death to kill more soldiers in the past? One guy does it and now they're all guilty of attempting it even with the least bit of evidence? I may not know a lot from the tape but I have to question if the marine was even thinking the body might be booby-trapped or just doing it out of pure wrath.

yeah because he is that stupid. he knows cnn are with him, they were talking to the camera man before hand... but hey he is just another stupid fool with a gun hey.

HairyNevus · 11-17-2004, 06:25 PM

CBS...

The marine's actions can not be justified "because one other guy killed people this way". Did they find a grenade under the body later? No.

Turns out (and you may get a kick out of this) they were just waiting to be med-evaced out of there. Not funny? They were waiting for medical treatment and he got killed. Come on! [/sarcasm]

Also, how in the hell was he 'faking dead'? The camera didn't show it, but you belive it.The camera didn't show him doing it out of wrath but I belive it.

**leejo** · 11-17-2004, 06:29 PM

I don't think any of us are in a position to judge his actions. Seriously. It's obscene to armchair quarterback this event.

11-16-2004, 11:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
HairyNevus Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 20 Posts: 869	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought. If it needs to be a crime, then it may not be 'murder' yet. But aside from that it's wrong, cruel, and very wrathful. I hope you people who defend the marine don't condone his actions. __________________ "Adios...blimp" -Assy McGee "All of the body parts they will never find, except all the peices that I saved." -Dickie Moist "Mmmmm, Duraflame." -Mountain Man "I don't like Sci-Fi, I love LOVE LOVE it!" - Gordon Crisp

11-17-2004, 11:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
TheFeniX Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 26 Posts: 4,478	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? From what my buddy tells me from watching the news, the day before this happened, an insurgent was playing dead and when a marine went to roll his body over he let go of a grenade killing himself and 4 American marines. __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TheFeniX's Steam Profile TG's Team Fortress 2 Steam Group

11-17-2004, 03:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/ interesting read on the subject in general.

11-17-2004, 04:45 PM	#24 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? it has no baring but the definition of muder in ENgland is, The killing, of another human being in any country of the realm UNDER THE QUEENS PEACE unfortunatly for you guys the latter dont apply in england he is exempt from the charge of murder, only manslaughter and neglegence. and ofcourse the mens-rea is maliceaforthought. __________________ The Queen "Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life," *Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community* TheFeniX "Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

11-17-2004, 05:42 PM	#25 (permalink)
Wolfie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 1,405	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? The marine is a soldier whose job is to deliever lethal force to an enemy combatant to prevent him from achieving his objectives. The terrorists/insurgants have shown that they are willing to use themselves to kill marines who restrain from delievering the killing blow. If there is anyone to blame for the behavior of the marine, it is the insurgants themselves for putting the soldiers in that position. If a criminal runs into a house and grabs a child to use as a shield, then fires into law enforcement personal/civilians, do we blame the officers for returning fire to try and protect other innocents?

11-17-2004, 06:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
HairyNevus Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 20 Posts: 869	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? That specific combatant has shown willingness to fake death to kill more soldiers in the past? One guy does it and now they're all guilty of attempting it even with the least bit of evidence? I may not know a lot from the tape but I have to question if the marine was even thinking the body might be booby-trapped or just doing it out of pure wrath. __________________ "Adios...blimp" -Assy McGee "All of the body parts they will never find, except all the peices that I saved." -Dickie Moist "Mmmmm, Duraflame." -Mountain Man "I don't like Sci-Fi, I love LOVE LOVE it!" - Gordon Crisp

11-17-2004, 06:25 PM	#29 (permalink)
HairyNevus Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Age: 20 Posts: 869	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? CBS... The marine's actions can not be justified "because one other guy killed people this way". Did they find a grenade under the body later? No. Turns out (and you may get a kick out of this) they were just waiting to be med-evaced out of there. Not funny? They were waiting for medical treatment and he got killed. Come on! [/sarcasm] Also, how in the hell was he 'faking dead'? The camera didn't show it, but you belive it.The camera didn't show him doing it out of wrath but I belive it. __________________ "Adios...blimp" -Assy McGee "All of the body parts they will never find, except all the peices that I saved." -Dickie Moist "Mmmmm, Duraflame." -Mountain Man "I don't like Sci-Fi, I love LOVE LOVE it!" - Gordon Crisp

11-17-2004, 06:29 PM	#30 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Anyone heard about a Marine that murdered a wounded terrorist? I don't think any of us are in a position to judge his actions. Seriously. It's obscene to armchair quarterback this event.

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