Here is a smoking question to ponder. - Page 2

Nightfire · 12-12-2004, 09:03 PM

i'd by all means tell person #2 that the smoke is really bothering person #1 and that person #2 should be advised to not smoke in the building.

if not *fantasy*, person #1 shall fire bomb person #2's place and make sure that person #1 has enough fire extinguisher to put out any "naughty flames" that are going beyond person #2's apartment.

okay, i'll shut up now :P

**DudeMan** · 12-12-2004, 09:59 PM

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should be advised to not smoke in the building

hmmmm, in your own home.... sorry, no!.

**phyllis** · 12-12-2004, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

Does person number 1 have a right to bitch about the smoke?

Absolutely! (and yes, I smoke)

**Pokerface** · 12-13-2004, 02:53 AM

There's nothing wrong with asking somone else to curb some behavior if it's causing a problem for you. I don't believe that in this particular instance the complainer would have a LEGAL leg to stand on, but courtesy would dictate that if you're causing someone else some grief, you tone down whatever it is you're up to.

Additionally, if the problem is bad enough that you threaten to move out, your landlord may jump in and either fix the building or speak to the other apartment owner to see if the behavior can be curbed.

**CingularDuality** · 12-13-2004, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

Additionally, if the problem is bad enough that you threaten to move out, your landlord may jump in and either fix the building or speak to the other apartment owner to see if the behavior can be curbed.

Heck, in this day and age, I'd go to my lawyer and have him draft a simply letter asking the landlord to rectify the situation or else... (The "or else" being defined by the lawyer.) I have no doubt that things will change after that letter is read. People are being sued for smoking outdoors in public, a landlord will be shaking in his boots if he thinks he might be the target of a lawsuit.

This would be after trying to do it the "nice" way first, of course...

I'd find out just how much the smoker is smoking. If he's only smoking, say, a pack a day, then there's nothing unreasonable about his activity and it would be unreasonable to ask him quit smoking in his own home. If you're polite about letting him know about your problem, however, he may change his habits voluntarily. If that doesn't solve the problem, I'd then advise the landlord of the problem. If that doesn't work, I'd talk to my lawyer. Politeness is required throughout and in my experience, a letter from a law firm clears up 99% of little problems like this without any further action.

**luna** · 12-13-2004, 01:53 PM

As a non-smoker who lives with a smoker, I have to say that I think the guy who isn't smoking has a right to at least politely address his concerns with the smoker. If it's just a whiff, then you need to decide if it's worth the effort. But, if your clothing, your hair, your furniture are saturated with cigarette smells, that's way over the line and worth complaining about. Remember- smokers don't realize how much they can stink, or how much their smoke lingers. They can't smell it like we can.

**TheFeniX** · 12-13-2004, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

Remember- smokers don't realize how much they can stink, or how much their smoke lingers. They can't smell it like we can.

Actually, most of us do, we just don't care. That's what collogne and Trident gum are for.

**Wyzcrak** · 12-13-2004, 03:24 PM

lol

You just proved luna's point.

A nice red shirt doesn't look nice above pink jeans.

Just because it's cinammon gum doesn't mean it's going to solve the problem and, in the right situations, it can make it much, much worse.

**luna** · 12-13-2004, 03:24 PM

Cologne and Trident do not cover up the smell. It really only makes it worse- the mixing of smells is just as overpowering and smells just as dirty.

**DudeMan** · 12-13-2004, 06:04 PM

yeah and what all you non smokers need to learn is, that nicotine is an addiction. and just asking the simplest of tasks such as smoke less is not easy and will not be recieved well.

its an addiction, you need it, it is not just being greedy or indulgent it is surviving the day.

for those who have quit, well done good job. but you think how hard it actually was. and then put some of that into this discussion. so far all i have seen is smoke smells its bad for you blah.... no actual recognition that this man may also feel bad for smoking but cant help it.

**TheFeniX** · 12-14-2004, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Just because it's cinammon gum doesn't mean it's going to solve the problem and, in the right situations, it can make it much, much worse.

What kind of sick person chews cinammon flavored gum?

**Wyzcrak** · 12-14-2004, 02:31 AM

Cinammon, "ice", "spearmint", "SW30"... pick your flavor. The points stands. Ick.

**CingularDuality** · 12-14-2004, 03:37 AM

FYI, milk chocolate (y'know, a Hershey's bar?) kills the odor/taste of cigarette smoke in the mouth. If you're smoking in an enclosed/non-ventilated area where the smoke sticks to your hair/clothes, you're outta luck...

I used to hate the smell of smoke. It bugged me a lot, until that one drunken night in Okinawa... Now I'm an addict... I quit for a while on a bet with another guy that was trying to quit. Once I won the bet, I lit up a victory cigarette... I am noticing that chest colds are harder and harder to get rid of, though, and that concerns me. I've never had a smoker's cough before, even after running 5 miles or so... Not that any of you are even remotely interested in this information... I'll shut up now.

**DudeMan** · 12-14-2004, 06:18 PM

amen to that, it has taken me 2 weeks to get over the flu and i still have a cough... and i only started 2 years back.

**leejo** · 12-14-2004, 06:30 PM

Sorry about the flu dudeman! I just got my shot Friday, woo hoo. Hope you're feeling better now.

12-12-2004, 09:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
Nightfire Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United States Age: 22 Posts: 795	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. i'd by all means tell person #2 that the smoke is really bothering person #1 and that person #2 should be advised to not smoke in the building. if not fantasy, person #1 shall fire bomb person #2's place and make sure that person #1 has enough fire extinguisher to put out any "naughty flames" that are going beyond person #2's apartment. okay, i'll shut up now :P

12-13-2004, 02:53 AM	#19 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 30 Posts: 5,773	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. There's nothing wrong with asking somone else to curb some behavior if it's causing a problem for you. I don't believe that in this particular instance the complainer would have a LEGAL leg to stand on, but courtesy would dictate that if you're causing someone else some grief, you tone down whatever it is you're up to. Additionally, if the problem is bad enough that you threaten to move out, your landlord may jump in and either fix the building or speak to the other apartment owner to see if the behavior can be curbed. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

12-13-2004, 01:53 PM	#21 (permalink)
luna Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rhode Island Age: 30 Posts: 4,136	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. As a non-smoker who lives with a smoker, I have to say that I think the guy who isn't smoking has a right to at least politely address his concerns with the smoker. If it's just a whiff, then you need to decide if it's worth the effort. But, if your clothing, your hair, your furniture are saturated with cigarette smells, that's way over the line and worth complaining about. Remember- smokers don't realize how much they can stink, or how much their smoke lingers. They can't smell it like we can. __________________ Resurgent's New Motivational Motto: "Now train harder! Live inside your character! If it dies, YOU DIE! Focus!" Jesus had a soulstone.

12-13-2004, 03:24 PM	#23 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. lol You just proved luna's point. A nice red shirt doesn't look nice above pink jeans. Just because it's cinammon gum doesn't mean it's going to solve the problem and, in the right situations, it can make it much, much worse. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

12-13-2004, 03:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
luna Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rhode Island Age: 30 Posts: 4,136	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. Cologne and Trident do not cover up the smell. It really only makes it worse- the mixing of smells is just as overpowering and smells just as dirty. __________________ Resurgent's New Motivational Motto: "Now train harder! Live inside your character! If it dies, YOU DIE! Focus!" Jesus had a soulstone.

12-13-2004, 06:04 PM	#25 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. yeah and what all you non smokers need to learn is, that nicotine is an addiction. and just asking the simplest of tasks such as smoke less is not easy and will not be recieved well. its an addiction, you need it, it is not just being greedy or indulgent it is surviving the day. for those who have quit, well done good job. but you think how hard it actually was. and then put some of that into this discussion. so far all i have seen is smoke smells its bad for you blah.... no actual recognition that this man may also feel bad for smoking but cant help it. __________________ The Queen "Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life," *Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community* TheFeniX "Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

12-14-2004, 02:31 AM	#27 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. Cinammon, "ice", "spearmint", "SW30"... pick your flavor. The points stands. Ick. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

12-14-2004, 03:37 AM	#28 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 17,073	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. FYI, milk chocolate (y'know, a Hershey's bar?) kills the odor/taste of cigarette smoke in the mouth. If you're smoking in an enclosed/non-ventilated area where the smoke sticks to your hair/clothes, you're outta luck... I used to hate the smell of smoke. It bugged me a lot, until that one drunken night in Okinawa... Now I'm an addict... I quit for a while on a bet with another guy that was trying to quit. Once I won the bet, I lit up a victory cigarette... I am noticing that chest colds are harder and harder to get rid of, though, and that concerns me. I've never had a smoker's cough before, even after running 5 miles or so... Not that any of you are even remotely interested in this information... I'll shut up now. __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

12-14-2004, 06:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. amen to that, it has taken me 2 weeks to get over the flu and i still have a cough... and i only started 2 years back. __________________ The Queen "Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life," *Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community* TheFeniX "Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

12-14-2004, 06:30 PM	#30 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Here is a smoking question to ponder. Sorry about the flu dudeman! I just got my shot Friday, woo hoo. Hope you're feeling better now.

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