Citizen Defends Home - Page 4

**leejo** · 01-07-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

Yes well, while you're living in your "Leave it to Beaver" town, some people are forced to live in other areas.

Ha! Yes my folks live in a very nice part of Houston, but if the garage door is left open, something will be stolen. If you leave valuables in a car parked at the curb, it will have a broken window in the morning. And I bet that if you make a habit of leaving the door unlocked, eventually someone - a contractor, someone offering to cut trees, etc, will notice and one thing will lead to another.

I used to live at the beach and didn't lock my door there because friends would drive over from town and need to use the fridge or the john. Folly Beach, SC is much closer to Haight Ashbury than Leave It To Beaver town: the population was, well, mellow. And forgetful.

It would be suicidal and foolish to apply that lifestyle to where I live in Austin, or Houston, or New York, or any number of other places I've lived. If you live in a neighborhood where people don't have to lock doors, that's super. It's also freaky rare.

**DudeMan** · 01-07-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

And claiming someone is living in (and I quote) "constant yet irrational fear" is neither an insult nor condecending?

Pot to kettle: I don't start the insults, I just respond in kind. I was insulted by the lack of care you showed in posting your arguement. You came into a thread that was based around a man defending what is his and bashed those who would do the same about it.

I also call BS on your "to the entire forum" comment. You specifically took references from my post (via a direct quote) and targeted your response at me. Quit playing the hurt feelings rap.

Then prepare to be further disappointed.

No, you see only one side of the coin, and you claim it to be the only "rational" way.

I have heard some great anti-gun arguements in the past. They've helped change some of the views I have on guns to this day. I will in fact change my mind if I see that the facts point in that direction. No amount of point-dodging on your part will change that.

I seek to understand everything I can about guns in general, you seek to avoid that knowledge by denying it completely.

Fine by me, but don't start a fight you won't finish. If you jab at someone, be prepared for them to swing back.

shut up fenix based on your earlier comments, the fact that you are living in constant yet irrational fear is a perfectlyh uinderstandable and believable statement. you dont sleep easy without your gun. therefore you do fear that someone may break in and kill you. you also own a gun for a large part in the diffense of that fear. and if you take a look at people who have actually died this way in relation to the population of your country it will be stupid odds. i would bet worse than lottery odds. therefore i still think there is an element of the fear THE ****ING FEAR being irrational.

it was not an insult nor condesending. further more yours may have been the post i qupoted but you are not the only one to mention it, so fit your big head through the door on your way out by greasing your ears mate.

**TheFeniX** · 01-08-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

shut up fenix based on your earlier comments, the fact that you are living in constant yet irrational fear is a perfectlyh uinderstandable and believable statement. you dont sleep easy without your gun.

I might take that seriously if you took the time to run a basic spelling/grammar check.

Furthermore, you are stating that me "living in constant yet irrational fear" is a fact and not some poorly concocted fiction that I sleep in fear without my gun based on a comment made by me taken out of context.

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therefore you do fear that someone may break in and kill you. you also own a gun for a large part in the diffense of that fear. and if you take a look at people who have actually died this way in relation to the population of your country it will be stupid odds. i would bet worse than lottery odds. therefore i still think there is an element of the fear THE ****ING FEAR being irrational.

And in relation to the population: dying in a car wreck is rare, but I still protect myself the best I can.

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it was not an insult nor condesending. further more yours may have been the post i qupoted but you are not the only one to mention it, so fit your big head through the door on your way out by greasing your ears mate.

Europeans have an odd definition of "insult" and "condescending."

**CingularDuality** · 01-08-2005, 12:33 AM

I really don't want to lock this thread. Please behave.

**DudeMan** · 01-08-2005, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I might take that seriously if you took the time to run a basic spelling/grammar check.

Furthermore, you are stating that me "living in constant yet irrational fear" is a fact and not some poorly concocted fiction that I sleep in fear without my gun based on a comment made by me taken out of context.

And in relation to the population: dying in a car wreck is rare, but I still protect myself the best I can.

Europeans have an odd definition of "insult" and "condescending."

AND YET AGAIN FENIX CANT RESISt, someone touchs a nerve and whooo he springs into defensive mode.

oh yes sorry i made a comment based on something you actually said, peh... i said this but i didnt mean it duh....

about cars, do you protect yourself from malicious attacks whilst you are in your car, or just accidents because that is a totally seperate issue.

cing sorry mate but from the outset i have not insulted this guy, if he wants to continue so beit i dont give a flying toss who he thinks he is when he puts his back up.

**CingularDuality** · 01-08-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

cing sorry mate but from the outset i have not insulted this guy, if he wants to continue so beit i dont give a flying toss who he thinks he is when he puts his back up.

Then just drop it. This issue can be discussed without insulting each other.

**Wolfie** · 01-08-2005, 08:13 PM

Why is it when someone mentions gun it turns into a debate about how "unsafe" guns are and loaded weapons are "significantly more possible" to cause an accident?

Accidents happened when either A) unsafe practices are performed or B) equipment is not kept in proper shape.

Several members in this community know how to handle weapons in a safe and well-maintain manner. Hell, they are intelligent to teach those around them how to properly handle a firearm safely.

A loaded gun in your nightstand is not going to kill you anymore than driving down the street.

I own a shotgun. Yet nobody is in danger around me because I know how to properly handle it.

**TheFeniX** · 01-09-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

AND YET AGAIN FENIX CANT RESISt, someone touchs a nerve and whooo he springs into defensive mode.

Pot to kettle.

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oh yes sorry i made a comment based on something you actually said, peh... i said this but i didnt mean it duh....

What?

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about cars, do you protect yourself from malicious attacks whilst you are in your car, or just accidents because that is a totally seperate issue.

Define: "malicious attacks"

If some guy pulls a gun and says "Get out," then I'd get myself out of there (whether or not I was actually carrying a pistol on me at the time). It's only a truck and I've got insurance. If some guy pulls a gun and it looks like he wants more than just my belongings: you bet I'm going to protect myself.

The only difference between car wreck with another driver and being "carjacked" is intent. Hence, they warrant different safety measures, but safety measures nontheless.

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

cing sorry mate but from the outset i have not insulted this guy, if he wants to continue so beit i dont give a flying toss who he thinks he is when he puts his back up.

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

... ease this constant yet irrational fear you have.

Calling concerns for my own life "irrational" would in fact be insulting me. No more or less than me claiming you are a fool for not protecting yourself.

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

shut up fenix

I don't think I have to explain this one.

And for those who say I should let the cops protect my home for me I offer you this

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"the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen."

Looks like I'll be letting Officers Smith and Wesson protect my home.

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01-08-2005, 08:13 PM	#52 (permalink)
Wolfie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 1,405	Re: Citizen Defends Home Why is it when someone mentions gun it turns into a debate about how "unsafe" guns are and loaded weapons are "significantly more possible" to cause an accident? Accidents happened when either A) unsafe practices are performed or B) equipment is not kept in proper shape. Several members in this community know how to handle weapons in a safe and well-maintain manner. Hell, they are intelligent to teach those around them how to properly handle a firearm safely. A loaded gun in your nightstand is not going to kill you anymore than driving down the street. I own a shotgun. Yet nobody is in danger around me because I know how to properly handle it.

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