Iran - Page 3

**USN_Squid** · 01-21-2005, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

I don't think it gets much better than the words from the mouth of Hans Blix himself, as to WMD in Iraq.

And yes it was "the reason", the only reason as a matter of fact, until there were no WMD found and it became apparent that none would probably ever be found, then it became all about "Iraqi freedom".

I can't find it now, but Bush made a speech that clearly outlined how he wanted to change the dynamic in the middle east by making Iraq a democratic state. He clearly wanted to do more than just remove the weapons, he wanted to remove saddam and change the government. He never planned on just stopping at the weapons.

Also, at the final ultimatum that was given to Saddam, the US asked for a report of everything SH had destroyed or still had in his possession. The 1300 pages (or more can't remember) was mostly old, mis-, and dis-information. I clearly remember this being the point where Bush gave them just a few days to put or face war.

I also read a great piece about how Saddam had to maintain a show of force even if it meant war. If he were to prove and admit that he didn't have weapons and we didn't invade guess who would've.....your buddies Iran.

**DudeMan** · 01-21-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

I don't think it gets much better than the words from the mouth of Hans Blix himself, as to WMD in Iraq.

And yes it was "the reason", the only reason as a matter of fact, until there were no WMD found and it became apparent that none would probably ever be found, then it became all about "Iraqi freedom".

oh wait everybody ghost said it was... wow thanks for clearing that up pal... we were all lost.

actually no, before the war even started bush was talking about the freedom of iraq from an opreesive riegime, i followed the war from start to preasent. Tony Blair also, (although without as much emphasis as bush) talked about iraqs freedom and democracy in the middle east.

so im sorry you are flat out wrong to say it was the only reason. yes ofcourse when it looked like none were going to be found the politicians placed more emphasis on the iraqi freedom, but it was there from the start and to say it wasnt is against the talks held in both parliament over here and congress in america.

oh yeah and the migs were a find.... but i think the most important find and the one we should remind ourslves of is the hooks in the prisons, the mass graves thge torture chambers and sadams sons tigres that fed on human meat.

**DudeMan** · 01-21-2005, 11:40 PM

oh and i remember hans blix comments to the UN, they were niether conclusive nor decisive in his findings, he still said he was restricted to certain areas, so on and so fourth...

**GhostintheShell** · 01-22-2005, 02:03 PM

Here's a cool pic of the planes buried in the desert. No one seems to know exactly why they were buried though. Apparently, they had little protection and would probably never fly again.

Pics of MIG 29's and SU25's buried in Desert - Aug 2003

More pics

BBC Story

Apparently the Australian's found 30 or so planes in April 2003 stating they were fomr the mid 1980's, and then the US found another 51 "brand new" planes buried as well in Aug 2003.

**luna** · 01-22-2005, 02:11 PM

That is really amazing, Ghost- we should give that a thread of its own.

**DudeMan** · 01-22-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

That is really amazing, Ghost- we should give that a thread of its own.

please tell me this is irony.

**CingularDuality** · 01-22-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

That is really amazing, Ghost- we should give that a thread of its own.

Had you not heard of these, Luna? I know the American "mainstream" media didn't cover the story, but I thought most people here used other places to get their news...

Can you imagine being bivouaced on top of a collection of fighter jets and not even realizing it until the wind exposed the tip of a tail? If it's that easy to hide fighter jets from us, how easy is it to hide canisters of chemical weapons?

**leejo** · 01-22-2005, 03:15 PM

I doubt that's how they were found. If I were trying to scour a desert for buried WMDs I'd think about using the sensors the navy uses to find submarines by detecting disturbances in the earth's magnetic field. Something that big would cause a blip, but a well-dispersed cache of 50gallon drums probably wouldn't (though it might, nobody's told me how sensitive their ...sensors are (had an Austin Powers moment there)).

Of course this is neither here nor there. Yes it would be wild to bivouac and see a tail pop up out of the dirt.

**CingularDuality** · 01-22-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

I doubt that's how they were found.

That's what I remember reading... Can you imagine scanning the entire nation of Iraq? That would be like scanning the entire state of Texas! Not possible.... Well, not possible unless you have a decade or two to spare... In which case the canisters could be moved from a place not scanned to a place already scanned...

**leejo** · 01-22-2005, 03:57 PM

oh yeah, they were found when the tail poked out? Wow.

**GhostintheShell** · 01-22-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

That is really amazing, Ghost- we should give that a thread of its own.

I thought it was pretty amazing. I hope you aren't making fun of me for not reading about it already...I know its old news but I never heard of it till now.

Anyway, I'm not one to hold back info even though it doesn't support my position on something so I thought I'd post it. Hey if they found full planes hidden buried in the desert maybe there is some chance of finding something more sinister. We'll have to wait and see.

**phyllis** · 01-22-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

Hey if they found full planes hidden buried in the desert maybe there is some chance of finding something more sinister. We'll have to wait and see.

That's my point exactly, to those that think we blew it by going into Iraq, and yet have found no WMD. Time will tell... I'd like to search and find out exactly how many people are searching right now. I'd say the majority aren't doing much searching, rather they're working on restoring the country, and rooting out resistance, etc. If we had a huge quantity of manpower to dedicate to searching only, we might find what they're looking for a bit quicker.

**luna** · 01-22-2005, 10:39 PM

No seriously, ghost- that really is amazing. I'd never seen the pictures.

**CingularDuality** · 01-22-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by phyllis

That's my point exactly, to those that think we blew it by going into Iraq, and yet have found no WMD. Time will tell... I'd like to search and find out exactly how many people are searching right now. I'd say the majority aren't doing much searching, rather they're working on restoring the country, and rooting out resistance, etc. If we had a huge quantity of manpower to dedicate to searching only, we might find what they're looking for a bit quicker.

The United States officially stopped looking for WMDs in the last week or so...

**DudeMan** · 01-23-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

The United States officially stopped looking for WMDs in the last week or so...

yes but is that forever, the weapons inspectors said it was too dangerous for them to visit all places, or so the paper said in this country.

wha they were not clear on is whether this is for the forseeable future or indefinatly.

01-21-2005, 11:40 PM	#33 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: Iran oh and i remember hans blix comments to the UN, they were niether conclusive nor decisive in his findings, he still said he was restricted to certain areas, so on and so fourth... __________________ The Queen "Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life," *Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community* TheFeniX "Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

01-22-2005, 02:03 PM	#34 (permalink)
GhostintheShell Join Date: May 2003 Location: Guelph, Ontario Age: 37 Posts: 963	Re: Iran Here's a cool pic of the planes buried in the desert. No one seems to know exactly why they were buried though. Apparently, they had little protection and would probably never fly again. Pics of MIG 29's and SU25's buried in Desert - Aug 2003 More pics BBC Story Apparently the Australian's found 30 or so planes in April 2003 stating they were fomr the mid 1980's, and then the US found another 51 "brand new" planes buried as well in Aug 2003.

01-22-2005, 02:11 PM	#35 (permalink)
luna Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rhode Island Age: 30 Posts: 4,135	Re: Iran That is really amazing, Ghost- we should give that a thread of its own. __________________ Resurgent's New Motivational Motto: "Now train harder! Live inside your character! If it dies, YOU DIE! Focus!" Jesus had a soulstone.

01-22-2005, 03:15 PM	#38 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,683	Re: Iran I doubt that's how they were found. If I were trying to scour a desert for buried WMDs I'd think about using the sensors the navy uses to find submarines by detecting disturbances in the earth's magnetic field. Something that big would cause a blip, but a well-dispersed cache of 50gallon drums probably wouldn't (though it might, nobody's told me how sensitive their ...sensors are (had an Austin Powers moment there)). Of course this is neither here nor there. Yes it would be wild to bivouac and see a tail pop up out of the dirt.

01-22-2005, 03:57 PM	#40 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,683	Re: Iran oh yeah, they were found when the tail poked out? Wow.

01-22-2005, 10:39 PM	#43 (permalink)
luna Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rhode Island Age: 30 Posts: 4,135	Re: Iran No seriously, ghost- that really is amazing. I'd never seen the pictures. __________________ Resurgent's New Motivational Motto: "Now train harder! Live inside your character! If it dies, YOU DIE! Focus!" Jesus had a soulstone.

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