Education secretary condemns public show with gay characters - Page 3

**DudeMan** · 01-28-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Fenix said most animals don't kill their own?

Wouldn't those animals that DO kill their own NOT be special if more animals killed their own than those that don't?

If that's true, doesn't is support Fenix' claim?

Just brainstorming.

no i dont think it would, most equatic animals do kill their own, and if you want some species closer to us, the chimpansie not only kills its own, but rapes its females. often having to beat the female into submission before mating with it.

i listed a few, there are more... granted i do not know them all.. but a spider also does this. the babies eat the mother.

ect ect ect.

**TheFeniX** · 01-28-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

It must be working, because Fear Factor is on NBC, stupid-throat. :P

I wouldn't know, I only catch about 15 seconds of it when flipping through the channels. I assume the extra 14 seconds is my brain rebooting from the massive damage watching one seond causes.

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but dont go shuving this stuff down little kids throats just because you want to make a people tolerent.

Best quote ever.

"We shouldn't make documentaries on black slavery in America because it would be forcing it down kids throats and might make them tolerant of the black community."

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i do agree with viewing kids tv though, unfortunatly its extremly hard to do, i rememer when i was that young i would sit infrint of the tele while my mom would do house hold chors, now how can she know exactly what im seeing when she has to do the cleaning...

You mother decided to give you unrestricted access to the TV, not PBS, Fox, or the BBC.

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it is impossible to know all the time and i thought we had agencies to stop this.

That's the point of the article: they were scared to release it because of the FCC.

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actually this is wrong, in a pack of lions there is one male lion in charge, the dominant one, he mates with other lions and produces babies. now a rival to the dominant lion will actually kill the babies of the dominant male and then mate with the female.

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I'm unable to find the article I had on that topic, so I'll just concede it. Too bad, was a great read.

For future reference, when someone concedes an arguement, it means they "give up."

**DudeMan** · 01-29-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I wouldn't know, I only catch about 15 seconds of it when flipping through the channels. I assume the extra 14 seconds is my brain rebooting from the massive damage watching one seond causes.Best quote ever.

"We shouldn't make documentaries on black slavery in America because it would be forcing it down kids throats and might make them tolerant of the black community."
You mother decided to give you unrestricted access to the TV, not PBS, Fox, or the BBC.That's the point of the article: they were scared to release it because of the FCC.For future reference, when someone concedes an arguement, it means they "give up."

ok first up, the rubbish about the black people in america and slaves, yeah nice quoting buddyboy. you forgot only one thing, i gave a use for this kind of material. i did not say to outright get rid of it all together. my suggestion instead was to leave this material out of a cartoon and use it for the purposes of sexual education for students of a siutable age. so dont go around misquoting people just because it makes you look good.

further more on the same comment, if this was a documentary there would not be a problem. instead it is a cartoon and aimed at people or a very young age. and there is too much of a difference to draw a paralelle between these two media types and an even bigger difference in its propected audience.

secondly, my mother gave me access to the TV she put it on the cartoon channels and then got on with her work, now unless you sit down and watch every cartoon then you will not know what they contain, further more should you take one week to sit and watch the cartoons and decide if they are OK your information would be outdated next week because there are new cartoons on all the time.

and there is a certain amount of trust placed in the agencies governing what we watch.

thirdly, and finally, just because you concede does not end the "argument" as you have chosen to say it. the only reason you conceded was because you couldnt find the article, not because you dont believe the other side, and contrary to your belief i am actually adressing more than just yourself. i saw the argument and gave my opinion. i wont shut up just because fenix dont want to continue that discussion, what i said is open to scrutiny by anyone here not just you.

**leejo** · 01-31-2005, 01:16 PM

Imagine that instead of portraying two mommies living together PBS instead made a cartoon about soldiers being honorable and good and praying to Jesus or Allah or Jehovah, but praying to God nonetheless with an American flag waving in the background.

Something tells me that the same folks who demand that the government shouldn't censor a children's cartoon about homosexuality would be screaming bloody murder if a cartoon were to say something nice about the military, or this country, or religion.

**Pokerface** · 01-31-2005, 02:29 PM

What is this "something" to which you refer? Because I imagine shows have been made in that vein, and I've not heard a peep from my hemp-wearing tree-hugging communist cohorts.

**leejo** · 01-31-2005, 02:40 PM

Yeah whatever. What is "something"? Every post excoriating Christians in this forum. Every NY Times editorial trashing the military's mission. Every pseudo-intellectual commentary about jingoism and propoganda.

Well let me ask you how you'd feel then if instead of US TAX dollars funding lesbian maple syrup loving characters they were instead funding apple-pie baking Jesus-loving, soldier-supporting heterosexuals talking to the children?

Propoganda is only propoganda, it seems, when you happen to disagree with its message.

**Pokerface** · 01-31-2005, 03:05 PM

Aside from the "Jesus-loving" part (as that could be construed as governemnt supporting a religion), I'd feel fine. It's a positive message, overall.

Admittedly, I'd feel differently about the situation were it changed from "soldier-supporting" to "war-supporting" (in reference to the current Middle East situation... I think we'd both agree that outright warmongers would be bad); then I'd think we'd be pushing the propaganda envelope too far for my tastes. Supporting the soldiers themselves is ducky; everyone wants their loved ones to come home safe and sound. Not everyone agrees that sending them off was the best idea.

**DudeMan** · 01-31-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerface

Aside from the "Jesus-loving" part (as that could be construed as governemnt supporting a religion), I'd feel fine. It's a positive message, overall.

Admittedly, I'd feel differently about the situation were it changed from "soldier-supporting" to "war-supporting" (in reference to the current Middle East situation... I think we'd both agree that outright warmongers would be bad); then I'd think we'd be pushing the propaganda envelope too far for my tastes. Supporting the soldiers themselves is ducky; everyone wants their loved ones to come home safe and sound. Not everyone agrees that sending them off was the best idea.

irriguardless you seem to forget one thing, these are all adult themes being pushed in the faces of chilldren.,

thats the issue, not the message its self, if this were aimed at teenagers or people comming of age, no problem but because it is aimed at the very young it is an issue.

**Wyzcrak** · 01-31-2005, 04:08 PM

I'm not able to access the referenced article presently.

Remind me which issue was an adult issue?

**TheFeniX** · 01-31-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

ok first up, the rubbish about the black people in america and slaves, yeah nice quoting buddyboy. you forgot only one thing, i gave a use for this kind of material. i did not say to outright get rid of it all together. my suggestion instead was to leave this material out of a cartoon and use it for the purposes of sexual education for students of a siutable age. so dont go around misquoting people just because it makes you look good.

The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Futurama, and others I don't feel like mentioning right now: have references to sexual innuendo of both the hetero and homo-sexual type. Deal with it.

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further more on the same comment, if this was a documentary there would not be a problem. instead it is a cartoon and aimed at people or a very young age. and there is too much of a difference to draw a paralelle between these two media types and an even bigger difference in its propected audience.

And yet there is nothing wrong with shows like G.I. Joe who spend all day blowing up planes and other fun stuff, yet you see two female cartoons characters living together and Hell is going to freeze over!

"BU T OMG IN GI JO TEH GUYS ALWAYS JUMP OUT OF TEH PLAIN BEFORE THEY DIE!!"

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secondly, my mother gave me access to the TV she put it on the cartoon channels and then got on with her work, now unless you sit down and watch every cartoon then you will not know what they contain, further more should you take one week to sit and watch the cartoons and decide if they are OK your information would be outdated next week because there are new cartoons on all the time.

And you never once changed the channel to something different? It's funny to hear you complain when English television is about 1e99 times more raunchy than anything here in the "wholsome backwater Bible thumping" US.

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and there is a certain amount of trust placed in the agencies governing what we watch.

Yea, I trust them to have people eating roaches for money and fame on TV while I'm trying to eat dinner. If anything I'd rather my kid learn about lesbos rather than the pathetic lengths his fellow countrymen will go to for money.

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i wont shut up just because fenix dont want to continue that discussion, what i said is open to scrutiny by anyone here not just you.

Stop the hurt feelings act, I never told you to shut up. And I do recognize that you were responding to wyz.

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Something tells me that the same folks who demand that the government shouldn't censor a children's cartoon about homosexuality would be screaming bloody murder if a cartoon were to say something nice about the military, or this country, or religion.

Then you'd be wrong. I hate the Christian channel, doesn't mean I want it removed from TV (although a man can dream), it just means I remove the channel from my TV list so I don't waste time when I'm flipping through the channels.

Best Classic Example™ I can give about parents not knowing dick-all about their kids favorite shows. I went to see South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut in theatres years back. My buddies and I take a seat and look around and see almost nothing but 12 and younger kids with their parents.

How stupid are you? This film has been bashed for months on almost every TV station, and is Rated R. Then, right when the "Uncle" song is on and people in the movie are leaving the theatre the people actually watching the movie are leaving with their hands over their kids ears. Biggest laugh I'd had all year. Serves parents right for being stupid.

**DudeMan** · 01-31-2005, 04:57 PM

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And you never once changed the channel to something different? It's funny to hear you complain when English television is about 1e99 times more raunchy than anything here in the "wholsome backwater Bible thumping" US.

hmmm its called a watershed buddy, to put a finer point on it you guys have one of the dirtiest porn industries in the world, yet you aqll worry about how sex will warp your kids minds.

what in gods name would she change the channel for if she could not keep up with the cartoons.

**TheFeniX** · 01-31-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

hmmm its called a watershed buddy, to put a finer point on it you guys have one of the dirtiest porn industries in the world, yet you aqll worry about how sex will warp your kids minds.

I don't worry about it because American TV is so pathetically conservative.

You also bring up a major red herring by even mentioning the pornography industry, since porno A. isn't shown on broadcast TV and B. you have to be at least 18 years of ago to view it.

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what in gods name would she change the channel for if she could not keep up with the cartoons.

Read first: you said your mother left you unsupervised in front of a TV. I find it hard to believe you were incapable of changing the channel to something else. And considering what they show on regular British TV (compared to US TV), you're own arguement is failing.

We don't have Naked News (which sucks).

Leejo: I have to ask. Do you believe someone has to be religious to be patriotic?

**leejo** · 01-31-2005, 06:50 PM

Yes absolutely.

**DudeMan** · 01-31-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I don't worry about it because American TV is so pathetically conservative.

You also bring up a major red herring by even mentioning the pornography industry, since porno A. isn't shown on broadcast TV and B. you have to be at least 18 years of ago to view it.

Read first: you said your mother left you unsupervised in front of a TV. I find it hard to believe you were incapable of changing the channel to something else. And considering what they show on regular British TV (compared to US TV), you're own arguement is failing.

We don't have Naked News (which sucks).

Leejo: I have to ask. Do you believe someone has to be religious to be patriotic?

im sorry exactly what, pre watershed do we show that is soo revolting.

seeing as you know so much...

oh and no remote control taken away, l;ike i said i was 4,

you do not have to be religious to be patriotic. how in the hell is that founded.

**TheFeniX** · 02-01-2005, 12:07 AM

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Yes absolutely.

I guess our founding fathers were nothing but a bunch of scumbags then. Let me post just a few quotes taken from their notes:

John Adams (the second President of the United States)
From a letter to Charles Cushing (October 19, 1756):
“Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, ‘this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.’”

From a letter to Thomas Jefferson:
“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”

From Thomas Jefferson’s Bible:
“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”

From Franklin’s autobiography, p. 66:
“...Some books against Deism fell into my hands....It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quote to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations, in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.”

And I can dig up many, many more. But they would probably go ignored as ficticious material made up by the Devil™ to try and tempt those weak of faith down the fiery path. I would get angry about the idea that for some reason being a non-Christian made someone unpatriotic. Fortunately, certain articles based around the concept of freedom protect people who can think objectively from those who would have them outcast for their beliefs.

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im sorry exactly what, pre watershed do we show that is soo revolting.

None by my standards, but by others even "Naked News" would rain fire and brimstone. If you ever get old enough, I recommend you watch the HBO orginal series "Sex TV." If there ever was an excuse to move to Europe, the television shows would be it. Good Lord, the soap operas there are hardcore.

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oh and no remote control taken away, l;ike i said i was 4,

What, you couldn't get off the couch and walk to the TV? Even I had the sense of mind at that age to take the batteries out of the remote and put it on "Thundercats" while my sister tried in vain to change it back to "My Little Pony." Then again, at that age I was reading James and the Giant Peach.

01-31-2005, 01:16 PM	#34 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,690	Re: Education secretary condemns public show with gay characters Imagine that instead of portraying two mommies living together PBS instead made a cartoon about soldiers being honorable and good and praying to Jesus or Allah or Jehovah, but praying to God nonetheless with an American flag waving in the background. Something tells me that the same folks who demand that the government shouldn't censor a children's cartoon about homosexuality would be screaming bloody murder if a cartoon were to say something nice about the military, or this country, or religion.

01-31-2005, 02:29 PM	#35 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Re: Education secretary condemns public show with gay characters What is this "something" to which you refer? Because I imagine shows have been made in that vein, and I've not heard a peep from my hemp-wearing tree-hugging communist cohorts. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

01-31-2005, 02:40 PM	#36 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,690	Re: Education secretary condemns public show with gay characters Yeah whatever. What is "something"? Every post excoriating Christians in this forum. Every NY Times editorial trashing the military's mission. Every pseudo-intellectual commentary about jingoism and propoganda. Well let me ask you how you'd feel then if instead of US TAX dollars funding lesbian maple syrup loving characters they were instead funding apple-pie baking Jesus-loving, soldier-supporting heterosexuals talking to the children? Propoganda is only propoganda, it seems, when you happen to disagree with its message.

01-31-2005, 03:05 PM	#37 (permalink)
Pokerface Join Date: May 2003 Location: MD, USA Age: 29 Posts: 5,722	Re: Education secretary condemns public show with gay characters Aside from the "Jesus-loving" part (as that could be construed as governemnt supporting a religion), I'd feel fine. It's a positive message, overall. Admittedly, I'd feel differently about the situation were it changed from "soldier-supporting" to "war-supporting" (in reference to the current Middle East situation... I think we'd both agree that outright warmongers would be bad); then I'd think we'd be pushing the propaganda envelope too far for my tastes. Supporting the soldiers themselves is ducky; everyone wants their loved ones to come home safe and sound. Not everyone agrees that sending them off was the best idea. __________________ NS Game Officer. TF2 Admin. BF2 Admin / Scripter. PM with issues. Tempus: Pokerface is nailing it right on the head. Everyone who is arguing against him is simply arguing against reality. <anmuzi> it is not permitted to have privacy or anonymity <LazyEye> yeah when I play on TG the server digs though my trash Arm yourself with knowledge: TG NS TF2 BF2

01-31-2005, 04:08 PM	#39 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Re: Education secretary condemns public show with gay characters I'm not able to access the referenced article presently. Remind me which issue was an adult issue? __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

01-31-2005, 06:50 PM	#43 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,690	Re: Education secretary condemns public show with gay characters Yes absolutely.

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