Media trying to create a story ? - Page 4

**Wyzcrak** · 02-03-2005, 10:18 PM

Please explain that difference.

**DudeMan** · 02-04-2005, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by phyllis

***SCREEECCHHHHHHHH***

In Wolfie's defense...look at the post again...

Bold type mine...he didn't say it did cause illness, but can ...big difference...

there is no difference... we all knew he wasnt saying that it was a certainty.

**Wolfie** · 02-04-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I can't believe that an engineer just posted this old wive's tale... Unless it's so cold that his core body temperature is decreased so much that his immune system is affected, being cold does not make someone sick. Staying cooped up in a warm building with lots of other people (some of which are sick) is what brings on winter illness...

Note what I said, lead not make.

Everyone of us has bacteria/viruses in us all the time but our immune systems fight them off all the time. However, when you do something to your immune system (like lower the body's core temperature), the effectiveness of your immunity to fight the bacteria/virus decreases. Dressing warmly insures that your core temperature does not get to a level where your immunity starts to lose its effectiveness.

**Wolfie** · 02-04-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Please explain that difference.

Make = something that causes you sick (i.e. viruses)
Lead to = something that makes you more susceptable to a virus

**Wolfie** · 02-04-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I can't believe that an engineer just posted this old wive's tale... Unless it's so cold that his core body temperature is decreased so much that his immune system is affected, being cold does not make someone sick. Staying cooped up in a warm building with lots of other people (some of which are sick) is what brings on winter illness...

There have been times I have gotten sick before and I wasn't around people. Or if I was, I was breathing in their air the entire time before I went outside and worked in the cold. The only difference was that I wasn't in a warm environment the entire time. Now, I never claim that just being out in the cold will make you sick, but it can lead to sickness, especially if you have lots of viruses in you already.

Cold by itself doesn't make you sick but if you weaken your immunity system that has been up to a point, fighting the disease, you can become sick.

**CingularDuality** · 02-04-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Cold by itself doesn't make you sick but if you weaken your immunity system that has been up to a point, fighting the disease, you can become sick.

Right, but that doesn't happen by being uncomfortably cold. That only happens when you're on the verge of freezing to death...

In other words, it has no bearing on this particular discussion, as it wasn't that cold and we're talking about the Vice President wearing an appropriate overcoat instead of a military parka...

It sure sounds to me like you're confusing correlation and causation... Being uncomfortably cold, simply chilly, will NOT increase your chances of getting sick. That's simply an old wives' tale and I refuse to let it be said without pointing out that it's bunk.

**Wyzcrak** · 02-04-2005, 02:52 PM

My suspicion was that the difference given me would be invalidated by what Cingular would eventually say.

Creepy how that turned out like I suspected.

I'm curious to see if someone will counter Cing's claim that the cold we're discussing here, in the situation we're discussing, will not make you ill and will not weaken your immune system.

If that is not disproven, then I'm forced to conclude that there was no difference, within the context of this discussion (which is what I was asking for, give the possibility that I don't know English, as one might deduce having read the answer to my query), between cold making you ill and leaving you susceptable to illness. Neither is a concern?

**leejo** · 02-04-2005, 03:19 PM

Being cold stresses the body and makes it less able to fight infections and disease. Children play together all summer long, swim in the same pools, etc., without getting sick. When their bodies get stressed the same crap has a better chance of gaining a foothold.

**Wyzcrak** · 02-04-2005, 03:26 PM

I forecast a pending conflict of mere opinions and factless claims.

Perhaps those presenting arguments should next reference credible sources other than themselves in their effort to convince the reader.

**leejo** · 02-04-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

I forecast a pending conflict of mere opinions and factless claims.

Perhaps those presenting arguments should next reference credible sources other than themselves in their effort to convince the reader.

According to my mother, being cold stresses the body and may cause illness.

She also says you're a jerky doodoohead.

Here are some other, less reputable, sources:

http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/...ent.asp?ID=509

http://www.usariem.army.mil/depyugo/coldw.htm

Soldiers in the Battle of the Bulge had a horrible time with pneumonia and other illnesses. They DREAMED of being huddled up indoors, so that couldn't have been the cause.

**Wyzcrak** · 02-04-2005, 03:31 PM

leejo wins.

Sorry Cing.

IceCold · 02-04-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

leejo wins.

Sorry Cing.

Pffft....

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/cold.htm

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/896_flu.html

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/...hb_121203.html

Leejo's army page and his reference to The Battle of the Bulge are situations where the cold weather itself is life threatening. "Uncomfortably cold" is not the same thing as "literally freezing to death cold".

**leejo** · 02-04-2005, 06:23 PM

what's his name said that cold weather adds to the likelihood that you will get sick. You and others keep showing how cold weather doesn't cause colds of the flu. Both can be true. There are other ways to be sick. Pneumonia. Butt cramps. Whatever.

**leejo** · 02-04-2005, 06:41 PM

Maybe Dick Cheney had butt cramps.

**CingularDuality** · 02-04-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leejo

what's his name said that cold weather adds to the likelihood that you will get sick. You and others keep showing how cold weather doesn't cause colds of the flu. Both can be true. There are other ways to be sick. Pneumonia. Butt cramps. Whatever.

Colds, flu, pneumonia, whatever... The fact is that cold weather doesn't cause bacterial or viral infections. Bacteria and virii (this plural form of virus was invented and accepted after electronic viruses became common, does it now apply as the plural form for a traditional virus?) cause these infections. Going outside with wet hair doesn't do it. Having a numb nose doesn't do it. Not being able to feel your ears doesn't do it. Being uncomfortably cold does not make you sick. Period.

Butt cramps, on the other hand, are not an illness and can be caused by the cold. I remember singing in our Xmas program at school in second grade. This is in San Diego, but the temperature that evening was down in the 40s or 50s. Well, our school had a huge sunken concrete courtyard that had enough steps around it that the entire school could sit on the steps of half of the courtyard for school assemblies and programs like this. Those concrete steps were sooooo friggin cold... I got butt cramps because this California boy was wearing just a pair of jeans that didn't do much to insulate my butt from that frigid concrete. It was kinda funny seeing all the other kids walking funny after we all got up, though...

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Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Media trying to create a story ? My suspicion was that the difference given me would be invalidated by what Cingular would eventually say. Creepy how that turned out like I suspected. I'm curious to see if someone will counter Cing's claim that the cold we're discussing here, in the situation we're discussing, will not make you ill and will not weaken your immune system. If that is not disproven, then I'm forced to conclude that there was no difference, within the context of this discussion (which is what I was asking for, give the possibility that I don't know English, as one might deduce having read the answer to my query), between cold making you ill and leaving you susceptable to illness. Neither is a concern? __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

02-04-2005, 03:19 PM	#53 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Media trying to create a story ? Being cold stresses the body and makes it less able to fight infections and disease. Children play together all summer long, swim in the same pools, etc., without getting sick. When their bodies get stressed the same crap has a better chance of gaining a foothold.

02-04-2005, 03:26 PM	#54 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Media trying to create a story ? I forecast a pending conflict of mere opinions and factless claims. Perhaps those presenting arguments should next reference credible sources other than themselves in their effort to convince the reader. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

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Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,148	Re: Media trying to create a story ? leejo wins. Sorry Cing. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

02-04-2005, 06:23 PM	#58 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Media trying to create a story ? what's his name said that cold weather adds to the likelihood that you will get sick. You and others keep showing how cold weather doesn't cause colds of the flu. Both can be true. There are other ways to be sick. Pneumonia. Butt cramps. Whatever.

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