Riddle - Page 5

**Ferris Bueller** · 11-28-2006, 12:05 PM

keres wins!

Karkianman101 · 11-29-2006, 07:33 PM

I was gonna say a 'donation' from a company that you're campaigning against

**sordavie** · 11-30-2006, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

easiest solution, and i dont know if its already been suggested (going with the matchstick/toothpick idea for the lines) is this:
IX (9) + VI (6) = 11
remove half of the V, thus changing it to I, making it
IX (9) + II (2) = 11
Thus making it true.
After all, the original riddle just said you cant BEND the lines, never dictated that you cant just act like theyre crooked and straighten them.
By the way, if this has already been solved, I didnt read the other pages, so I dont know. Also, if that does happen to be the right answer, it took less than 20 seconds to figure out. What can I say, i'm a nurse in doctoral school, figuring out riddles (of the human kind) is what I do all day long.

Even if we can straighten crooked lines, you haven't used the line that you took out. This seems easy enough to fix, just make the equals sign a triple bar (equivalence relation). But, maybe that's not quite correct, since the triple bar is a logical relation and not an arithmetical one.

Here's my suggestion: although we're not allowed to interpret '1' as 'I', I wonder if we're allowed to interpret 'X' as "multiplied by." And, if we're allowed to make slightly strange, but grammatical, mathematical sentences. If so, then 'IX + VI = 11' can be made in to 'IX + XI = 11' by shifting one prong of the 'V' to the left or right, over the other prong, to make 'X'. So, 'IX + XI = 11' is to be read as 'I x +XI = 11' or, in other words, '1 * +11 = 11', or "one times positive eleven equals eleven."

If I'm not allowed to interpret 'X' as "multiplied by" and I'm not allowed to interpret '+', in this sentence, as "positive" (the monadic predicate rather than the two-place relation "plus"), then this solution obviously doesn't work. Of course, none of the rules said I couldn't do this. The sentence is grammatical, even if a bit odd, since we normally treat numbers without a negation sign in front of them as positive. To place the extra '+' in front of XI is redundant. However, if we're treating these roman numerals just as stand-ins for arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, etc...) then this is perfectly grammatical.

[edit] Buck, that's about as good as I can come up with in 10 minutes. Let me know if interpreting those symbols in these ways breaks some unstated rules.

Arf · 11-30-2006, 03:17 PM

Ix + Vi = T

*Why the heck do my Roman tens and ones keeping getting decapitalized?

Buck Fush · 11-30-2006, 05:14 PM

The line must be moved, not straightened or bent.

I wish someone would get this one. I am hesitant to post the answer since it cannot be found on the internet yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

easiest solution, and i dont know if its already been suggested (going with the matchstick/toothpick idea for the lines) is this:
IX (9) + VI (6) = 11
remove half of the V, thus changing it to I, making it
IX (9) + II (2) = 11
Thus making it true.
After all, the original riddle just said you cant BEND the lines, never dictated that you cant just act like theyre crooked and straighten them.
By the way, if this has already been solved, I didnt read the other pages, so I dont know. Also, if that does happen to be the right answer, it took less than 20 seconds to figure out. What can I say, i'm a nurse in doctoral school, figuring out riddles (of the human kind) is what I do all day long.

heres a new one:
If you possess it you can never bring it to light but if you bring it to light you cannot possess it. What is "it"?

Should be fairly simple, though the wording is a bit thick (i edited it as creatively and straightforwardly as I could so as to make it un-google-able).

Icsist · 11-30-2006, 05:25 PM

Somebody Please Figure This One Out....

**sordavie** · 11-30-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Fush

The line must be moved, not straightened or bent.

I wish someone would get this one. I am hesitant to post the answer since it cannot be found on the internet yet.

So, did you read my solution?

Buck Fush · 11-30-2006, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sordavie

So, did you read my solution?

That is one of the more creative solutions that I've seen, but still not it. I think technically it fits the rules, but the real answer is much more simplistic.

**Ferris Bueller** · 11-30-2006, 05:44 PM

IX + II = XI
Line moved. Nobody said the 11 couldnt be transformed into lines

**sordavie** · 11-30-2006, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

IX + II = XI
Line moved. Nobody said the 11 couldnt be transformed into lines

Yeah, if we could do stuff like that, then we could also offer this solution: IX + II = 11. You take half of the 'V' and connect it to the other half, making a straight long line, and then straightening the whole thing out. Similar to your original suggestion. But, then this puzzle would have too many easy answers. So, you're probably doing something against the rules.

**sordavie** · 11-30-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Fush

That is one of the more creative solutions that I've seen, but still not it. I think technically it fits the rules, but the real answer is much more simplistic.

Hm. So it's not something simple like moving the verticle line from the '+' to make the '=' a "less than or equal to" sign?

I guess maybe I don't understand what you meant by the rule that the total must equal 11.

[edit] Nevermind, that wouldn't give us a unique best solution. Since you could make it a "greater than or equal to" sign using one of the other lines.

It's not simple like 'I V + VI = 11'? I guess we can treat that has "statement I: V + VI =11" or maybe with implicit parentheticals 'I(V + VI)=11.

Arf · 11-30-2006, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Fush

The line must be moved, not straightened or bent.

I did move the line

If I have to move it to the other side of = how about:

X + VI = H

**Ferris Bueller** · 11-30-2006, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sordavie

Yeah, if we could do stuff like that, then we could also offer this solution: IX + II = 11. You take half of the 'V' and connect it to the other half, making a straight long line, and then straightening the whole thing out. Similar to your original suggestion. But, then this puzzle would have too many easy answers. So, you're probably doing something against the rules.

The rules as quoted:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Fush

The rules:

* The line must be used.
* One side of the equals sign must equal the other.(You may not use the line over the equals sign to show inequality.)
* You cannot bend the line(I.E. You cannot take the "I" from the "VI", bend it and put it front of the equation to make "SIX + V = 11")(This was my original answer when I heard the riddle. I thought it was creative.)

So, by the rules, I achieved a correct answer.
Rule number one is satisfied by the fact that I took half of the V and created an X on the other side.
Rule number two is satisfied by the fact that the two sides do equal each other.
Rule number 3 is satisfied because i did not bend any lines.
So by the rules set forth in the original riddle, my answer is correct. Logic wins.

**sordavie** · 12-01-2006, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller

The rules as quoted:

So, by the rules, I achieved a correct answer.
Rule number one is satisfied by the fact that I took half of the V and created an X on the other side.
Rule number two is satisfied by the fact that the two sides do equal each other.
Rule number 3 is satisfied because i did not bend any lines.
So by the rules set forth in the original riddle, my answer is correct. Logic wins.

But, you have access to other people's answers, and the original poster has updated the rules.

Quote:

Originally Posted by buck fush

That would work except for the fact that on the right side of the equals sign there are (2) 1's, not "I"'s. So your equation would actually wind up being "IX - VI = I11" which is not true.

To make it less confusing we'll add the rule that the final total MUST equal "11".

Your sentence is something like this 'IX + II = X1' and 'X1' does not equal "11" for the very same reason '11I' or 'I11' or '1I1' does not equal "3."

Quote:

Originally Posted by buck fush

can be made true by moving one and only one line from one place in the expression to another.

Also, if you're careful, you'll notice that you haven't followed directions. It says move one and only one line. You have moved two. I don't see why straightening out the '1' on the right hand side of the '=' to make one slash of the 'X' doesn't count as having moved a line. Rotation is movement. Rotating a line counts as movement. So, you've made the rotation of that line, and you've moved a line from the 'V' over to the other side of '='. That's two lines moved, not one and only one line moved.

Karkianman101 · 12-01-2006, 08:00 AM

I think in this case movement does not include rotation. If someone takes out a diagonal line, then its pair is assumed to straighten itself.

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