CingularDuality

I don't think so. It's easy to generalize in that manner: anyone that acts in such a way as to intentionally put other people's lives at risk needs to be stopped by any means necessary. Whether that's locking them up in a mental hospital, watching them kill themselves with an SUV, or putting a bullet in them when they attack a cop, the world will be better off when they're removed from society while they're acting like that. No excuses.

Have you seen the movie "The Village"?

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DudeMan

sorry dont agree,

and dont put hollywood film as any kind of example, thats ridiculous... i suppose i should also be living in some commune depriving myself of tv too.... bad analogy imo...

you generalise, not me, you generalise all people with a mental illness as willingly or INTENTIONALLY puting peoples life at risk. the reason insanity is a defense to murder it because it is not intentional. and reguardless of what happens to that person, locked up killed whatever, where it may have been neccesary, it is not a joyus occaision and therefore should not be described as happy.

my point is not let an insane person run a mock, but it is not good or funny to watch a man die, yes he may have put people at risk, and if he is sound of mind i dont care what happens to him. but if he is insane nothing he was doing is intentional. and for people to say, "so what if he is insane still good he died" i think is wrong.

you turn my point around and make it sound like im suggesting a more easy approach if they are mad, not at all, detain him, however dont sit around passing judgement and proclaiming that it was good that he died as a result. this is my problem, you say noone got hurt, incorrect, 3 people died, while this could not be helped, its not happy...

ill stick by a fortunate ending to the chase...

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TheFeniX
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Yer Mom

This is entirely too true. I'm going to agree with Cing fully. My girlfriend's cousin has.. issues. Now, to generalize "retarded" people is NOT to say that you hope they die when they commit acts that may put other people's lives in danger.

Concider you this. You are married, with 2 kids and a beautiful wife. Some "retarded" person in a white SUV comes flying down the road at 120 miles an hour and SLAMS into the side of your 4 cylinder Toyota that's almost 3 times smaller than the SUV. This kills your wife and your kids, and cripples you. You are now stuck in a hospital for 2 years at least, probably in a coma, only to come out never walking again.

Who do you blame that on? God? The person?

I'd say it wouldn't be either. We have homes for these people so they don't do these things. They can't help it, I honestly believe. They can't control most of the things they do, and if they can, they wouldn't be going that fast down the highway in a big ass SUV.

I think that these people should be controlled. If not by the government then by the families of these people.

I, personally, have never seen a mentally incapable person get into a car and speed excessively down the highway. But, apparently, someone else has, and we're argueing about it here...

I say, drop it and get over it. We all have family members that have problems, and we all feel for them dearly. Generalization is NOT saying that we are better off without those people, because if they're not stable enough to control their actions, then we are better off without them.. And I'm sure that if they knew and understood that they were dangerous to people, they would feel the same.

-Mom

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leejo

Y'all can discuss the hypotheticals all you like, but as Apo found this guy did in fact lie in wait for his wife to come home, chased her down, killed her, then killed her friend. Then he sped away and risked the lives of many others on the freeway before he flipped his own damn truck on his head and died.

Good riddance. Sorry about the children.

So yes, if he had in fact been a sweet angel who happened to be off his meds that day, this would be tragic. If frogs had wings...

DudeMan

i stopped reading here, first off, it didnt happen, secondly i would be pissed and hope he dies slowly, however, you were not there it did not happen to you, and without any facts what-so-ever, you jump to the decision, well he should be dead what a glorious outcome.

well ok imagine this, you have your perfect family and your house catches fire because of a faulty appliance... you will be devestated, you will want to blaim someone, who? the guy who made it, you for buying it.... you can put yourself into a position of great trauma and find that every tiem you will feel the same. but for bystanders and outside people to condone it is still wrong.

but i guess to a nation that still believes the death penalty serves a purpose, what more can one say...

oh and sorry what a crock....

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CingularDuality

That's not what I said at all.
Read it again:
My point was that I don't care if they're mentally unstable. I don't care at all. If that makes me a heartless bastard, so be it. If someone is intentionally (whether in their right mind or not) acting in a manner that is likely to kill innocent people, I don't care what happens to them as long as their behavior stops.

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DudeMan

GOODNESS, READ YOUR OWN STATEMENT " if someone intentionally (right mind or not)" that is pure crap... you cannot intentionally do something that was brought on by insanity... thats the point of the insanity as a defence to murder law... i am asuming the actus reus and mens rea for murder are near enough the same in my country and yours to show that insane or mentally ill people, "can" do things that were not intended.

and yes you are a heartless bastard, considering your point of view, and considering your profession, it worries me that you have no sympathy for the mentally impaired.

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"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

CingularDuality

You're twisting my words around. It's not that I have no sympathy for the mentally impaired. It's that I have no sympathy for violent psychopaths.

As for my job, well, there's a reason why we have judges and juries here. No worries there, the bleeding hearts are the ones that decide what happens anyway...

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TheFeniX

For the record, I have no sympathy for retarded people. Was attacked by one when I was younger. He tried to hold our dog hostage (not even a joke) so my brother would give him our go-kart. After my mom stepped outside and demanded Jake back, he gave in.

When we called the police, the officer said that there wasn't much the could do because of his inteligence level. They changed their attitude when he recognized me on the street and hit me in the back with a brick. Yes, a nice big red brick. I remember laying down on the sidewalk barely able to breath while he rode off yelling incoherently about "Now I'll get that go-kart."

From that day forward, I've feared and hated retarded people and will quickly move away from them. To me, they're like rabid dogs just waiting to go off and hurt/kill someone.

Does this make me a bad person? Probably. Do I care? No.

I don't care if the guy in this video was retarded or what. It was funny to watch and I couldn't care less if he survived or not. Apathy FTW.

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I think first that it is obvious this person had control of him mental facilities.

second, anyone capable of violence (intentional or not) needs to be removed from society. There are occasions that these people slip through the cracks and remain among the public however, and in these instances, the faster they are removed, the better.

This person waited for his ex-wife, returned to kill a witness/friend/whatever, then knew what he had done was wrong, otherwise, he would not have fled. He then drove a 7000 pound vehicle 100mph through rather heavy traffic avoiding many obstacles. the mental accuity needed to weave though traffic as seen in this video is well above the level needed to keep him out of the electric chair for the crime he commited. smart enough to drive nascar, smart enough to fry in the electric chair, smart enough to deserve his death.

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DudeMan

OH BUT WAIT A SECOND, ITS UP TO ALL THE OTHER ROAD USERS TO MOVE BECAUSE HE IS GOING FASTER... I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT BEING THE RULE...

or is it another one of those rules, its ok for me... not for you...

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

IceCold

C'mon, man, think logically for crissakes... If everyone had moved to the right, leaving this psychopath with the left lane all to himself, he wouldn't have had to swerve in and out of traffic and wouldn't have lost control at that moment, would he? His excessive speed would have been less of an issue if people had moved to the right.

leejo

*rolls up newspaper and smacks IceCold on the nose*

NO!

NO! BAD ICECOLD.

DudeMan

point proven then its tradgic that he died because every other road user should have been climbing up their own ass to get out of his way... a happy ending would have been everyone but him dies for not driving properly...

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"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

NewsWrthy

I am sure there are a few who will disagree but his death does only one thing" save tax payer money". I drive for a living and see people F#$%%# every day by some Jackass who was in a hurry, this guy was beyond any thing that can be explained. The fact that he didn't kill any one was only stupid luck. He should be treated like a terrorist with a bomb. Drop him befor he gets a chance to hurt any one.

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