factory or custom computers? - Page 4

**Wyzcrak** · 03-14-2005, 04:57 PM

Surely you guys acknowledge a market which does not have the technical prowess to take value from a custom computer as compared to a professionally-supported offering? And surely you acknowledge that, for this market, custom is not the best solution?

**leejo** · 03-14-2005, 07:09 PM

The question in the poll is "what type of computer would you prefer?" and that's how I based my answer. If we're actually discussing another question then yes, I would tell my mother to buy a factory made computer. She did, and I still get all the technical support phone calls. I can't imagine how bad it would be if I had anything to do with the machine.

**9 v** · 03-14-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Being lonely and needing someone.. anyone... to talk to doesn't count.

lol @ that

NewsWrthy · 03-14-2005, 08:11 PM

Well I built my own. I searched and search and found parts as cheap as possible and when I had it finnishe I had spent 189 more that what dell wanted for a better system. I have built quite a few and My next will probably be a dell. Warranties are great with gaming systems where there are so many parts to go bad or have conflicts. If you are going to do spread sheets and serf the net then build it. Gaming Get it done by a pro who backs it, at a better price.

**Apophis** · 03-14-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

yes another excelent reason...

with factory if you yourself open the machine the tech support and warranty is gone by by....

This isn't always the case. I've not used any factory built machines that void the warranty if you open the case to install new parts. Most factory builders have post-sale parts you can buy that they EXPECT you to install yourself. Like memory, video cards, USB controllers, etc.

NewsWrthy · 03-14-2005, 09:18 PM

With Dell they will Tell you to open the case and do things during the Tech call. When my mother had problems with hers they told her to pop out the ram chips and then reinstall them among other things.

**Quarath** · 03-15-2005, 02:48 AM

It used to be you vioded the warranty if you cracked the case but I think those days are long gone and mostly were done by smaller local computer shops that expected you to bring it back to them and did not want to fix your mistakes or others mistakes for free. I think service plans like that are prettymuch gone now as more people are educated enough to perform minor replacments.

As for me custom for sure unless I am buying a laptop but I really like Dog's idea there. Or unless buying a (cover your eyes) MAC. Yes I did say it. I will always be a PC tech junky but as a graphic designer, and having to use MAC to do my job I have to say if you have ever cracked a case on a G5 tower you will be quite impressed by the design. If Apple would make a case like that designed to house a PC I'd buy it in a second. I have a 1.8 dual proc G5 with 2GB Ram and a 20" WIDE Flat panel onmy desk at work and I love it. If I buy one at home it probably won't be my main gaming comp but my design station. Mine has a medium range Geforce in it and many of the games now days are released as dual or tri platform games from the samebox. I would seriously consider a MAC laptop if they would ever get around to releasing a G5 one.

Right now I need a upgrade for a great price. I have a MSI MB Athlon Thunderbird 950 with 596 MB PC133 RAM and Geforce Ti4200.

Would love your inputs on a PCI express system or high end AGP8x. Looking primarily at VC.MB,RAM, and CPU

**DudeMan** · 03-15-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Surely you guys acknowledge a market which does not have the technical prowess to take value from a custom computer as compared to a professionally-supported offering? And surely you acknowledge that, for this market, custom is not the best solution?

i certainly do not acknowledge that paying for a computer over the odds with less capabilities a custom built one has, just for some boff who can fix a minor problem on your shoddy knowledge is worht it.

if you dont know enough read a book, thats how i learnt most of what i know about computers.

**DudeMan** · 03-15-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Apophis

This isn't always the case. I've not used any factory built machines that void the warranty if you open the case to install new parts. Most factory builders have post-sale parts you can buy that they EXPECT you to install yourself. Like memory, video cards, USB controllers, etc.

yeah well thats not my experience, and does not take away from the fact, there isnt one factory built machine within a reasonable price range i would not have to improve myself because it lacks in some areas..

the fact is, i built a top of the range PC 3 years ago and all i have had to upgrade is memory and hard drive space, the rest is peachy, still,

**=DdogG=** · 03-15-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Being lonely and needing someone.. anyone... to talk to doesn't count.

earning that name, aren't we......jerk. (and now, I will do something I do not do.....)

**Wyzcrak** · 03-15-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

if you dont know enough read a book, thats how i learnt most of what i know about computers.

For some people, the "opportunity cost" of them reading the book is greater than paying someone else to fix the problem. That's the point I'm trying to make. There is a market for whom "less expensive computer" or "top of the range parts" does not mean "better." I was (as opposed to "am", now...) just trying to make that point in the interest of considering the big picture when comparing custom vs factory.

**DudeMan** · 03-15-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

For some people, the "opportunity cost" of them reading the book is greater than paying someone else to fix the problem..

codswallop.

absolute rubbish, how many problems can one expect to encounter over the space of 4 years... how much in phone calls does that cost plus time take for someone to walk you through it. balance that to reading a book and knowing forever.

sorry its the easier route, not the route less effort or less cost. its plain cant be bothered to do it myself attitude, only when you are talking about large companies with lots of computers that does factory built and tech support become the most economical choice.

**Wyzcrak** · 03-15-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

only when you are talking about large companies with lots of computers that does factory built and tech support become the most economical choice.

I'll agree to leave "large companies" open to interpretation and otherwise voice my enthusiastic satisfaction with that comment. Well done.

**TheFeniX** · 03-15-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

sorry its the easier route, not the route less effort or less cost. its plain cant be bothered to do it myself attitude, only when you are talking about large companies with lots of computers that does factory built and tech support become the most economical choice.

Ha! You try training 5 70+ year-old librarians on basic PC maintenance, then try and tell me custom built is more cost-effective.

My company doesn't want in house tech support. We don't need a guy on-staff to repair PCs. Every joker now has a PC repair shop (Including the guy across the street who repairs TVs). We stick with where the real money is at and leave the long phone calls to Dell.

**DudeMan** · 03-15-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

Ha! You try training 5 70+ year-old librarians on basic PC maintenance, then try and tell me custom built is more cost-effective.

My company doesn't want in house tech support. We don't need a guy on-staff to repair PCs. Every joker now has a PC repair shop (Including the guy across the street who repairs TVs). We stick with where the real money is at and leave the long phone calls to Dell.

sorry i already said its different if you are a company, but this is about a personal box... so moot point mate, next quiry, or should i have dell ring me for the answers.... ha ha

View Poll Results: What type of computer would you prefer?
Factory-made	5	10.20%
Custom-made	38	77.55%
Either one...as long as it plays my games and do work	6	12.24%
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03-14-2005, 07:09 PM	#47 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: factory or custom computers? The question in the poll is "what type of computer would you prefer?" and that's how I based my answer. If we're actually discussing another question then yes, I would tell my mother to buy a factory made computer. She did, and I still get all the technical support phone calls. I can't imagine how bad it would be if I had anything to do with the machine.

03-14-2005, 08:11 PM	#49 (permalink)
NewsWrthy Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 372	Re: factory or custom computers? Well I built my own. I searched and search and found parts as cheap as possible and when I had it finnishe I had spent 189 more that what dell wanted for a better system. I have built quite a few and My next will probably be a dell. Warranties are great with gaming systems where there are so many parts to go bad or have conflicts. If you are going to do spread sheets and serf the net then build it. Gaming Get it done by a pro who backs it, at a better price. __________________

03-14-2005, 09:18 PM	#51 (permalink)
NewsWrthy Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 372	Re: factory or custom computers? With Dell they will Tell you to open the case and do things during the Tech call. When my mother had problems with hers they told her to pop out the ram chips and then reinstall them among other things. __________________

03-15-2005, 02:48 AM	#52 (permalink)
Quarath Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah Age: 36 Posts: 742	Re: factory or custom computers? It used to be you vioded the warranty if you cracked the case but I think those days are long gone and mostly were done by smaller local computer shops that expected you to bring it back to them and did not want to fix your mistakes or others mistakes for free. I think service plans like that are prettymuch gone now as more people are educated enough to perform minor replacments. As for me custom for sure unless I am buying a laptop but I really like Dog's idea there. Or unless buying a (cover your eyes) MAC. Yes I did say it. I will always be a PC tech junky but as a graphic designer, and having to use MAC to do my job I have to say if you have ever cracked a case on a G5 tower you will be quite impressed by the design. If Apple would make a case like that designed to house a PC I'd buy it in a second. I have a 1.8 dual proc G5 with 2GB Ram and a 20" WIDE Flat panel onmy desk at work and I love it. If I buy one at home it probably won't be my main gaming comp but my design station. Mine has a medium range Geforce in it and many of the games now days are released as dual or tri platform games from the samebox. I would seriously consider a MAC laptop if they would ever get around to releasing a G5 one. Right now I need a upgrade for a great price. I have a MSI MB Athlon Thunderbird 950 with 596 MB PC133 RAM and Geforce Ti4200. Would love your inputs on a PCI express system or high end AGP8x. Looking primarily at VC.MB,RAM, and CPU

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