Smoking Bans - Page 2

11-14-2003, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

Yeah but fat people eating badly does not effect your rights to live and be happy where some guy who is blowing smoke in my face is.

Give me 2 hours and I'll prove you wrong...

**_Ender_** · 11-14-2003, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectre

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Originally Posted by _Ender_

Yeah but fat people eating badly does not effect your rights to live and be happy where some guy who is blowing smoke in my face is.

Give me 2 hours and I'll prove you wrong...

Please do.. I would love to hear it :P

**Begbie** · 11-14-2003, 08:35 PM

Ok, So i have to sit in the fat and smoking section? Or or they one in the same? Cus i need to know these things.

Anyway... On topic.. I see smoking just like cell phone usage. I dont want to hear some vain jackass telling everyone in the world that he is the greatest thing in the world, and i would respect him not wanting me to smoke.

If i cant smoke in your business.. thats cool, i dont want cause any trouble... But i do expect in the same business jonny jackass cant scream on his cell phone.

I should be able to smoke anywhere i feel like it... as long as its not getting in the faces of non smokers...Outside.. smoking section... where ever..its cool .. just put the cell phones away and out of my face.

Daxx · 11-14-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectre

I'm going to start an anti-fatass lobby. If you're more than 20% overweight I'm going to make gagging noises when I see you jam a doughnut in your mouth. (like the annoying smartass cough non-smokers make whenever they walk near smokers.....the smoke may be totally going the other direction...but these jerks always have to do the cough. :x :evil: )

I'm going to call all fat people disgusting because their bad habit of eating junkfood is wrecking their bodies and making my world a more horrrible place to live in because I have to look at them. I'm going to ALWAYS remind them that their habit is going to make their little heart explode one day just when their chubby little fingers pick up that next HO-HO. Fat / ugly people are violating my right to live in a pleasent world, thus should be segregated from us normal, thin, attractive people.

I propose a "Fat only" section at restraunts or even go as far as having a ban on fat people in the first place.

NOW...how's that sound???

Perfectly fine to me. Obesity is a definate problem in North American, this might help it

I personally belive that the "Its genitic" or "Its not my fault" excuses are complete bull. I used to be a rather fat kid for most of my life. Was in excess of 200 pounds starting Grade 9 (14 yrs old) But when I was about 18, I'd decided I'd had more than enough of the sh*t most fat kids get in school. Started working out at eating healthier. I havn't been inside a fast food establishement for nearly four years. And I'm down to 155 lbs now. I'm no Adonis, I could still stand to lose some more fat, but I don't look like the poster child for Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore either.

So the "genetic" bunch can blow it straight out their double cheeked butts. I pulled it off with a little hard work and sacrifice, so can you.

But back to the topic at hand

The reason I'm against smoking is that its invasive. Even in controlled conditions its still possible to inhale the poison.

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Originally Posted by Spectre

Complaining that smokers are nasty because thay have a habit thats killing them is getting really annoying

No personal offense intended, but you guys are nasty. You smell bad, yellow teeth, stained fingers, hocking up lugies every five minutes...

Not to mention being around someone on a nic-fit is rather agravating.

**_Ender_** · 11-14-2003, 10:01 PM

High School US history class. I had a teacher who was a heavy smoker, I mean heavy smoker. The time I had the class was right after his break so of course through the whole break he in out side with us kids smoking. Anyway, it was a 45 minute class, and through the first 30 minutes of it, he was coughing, really bad. Like coughing up a lung or something. He couldnt even teach the class at all thats how bad it was. So the 45 minute class was basically him coughing for 25 to 35 minutes and then about 10 to 20 minutes of actual work. It was a great class, until finals came around and my whole class was staring at **** that he never covered because he was having his 30 minute coughing fits every day so he wasnt able to teach class properly. The entire class of 25 students ended up failing the class that semester because we couldnt pass the finals because he wasnt teaching us anything because he was a hardcore smoker and had to cough up a lung after his smoking break.

I bitched and bitched and bitched to my head master (we all did) and they didnt do **** about it so we all ended up transfering to a different class before we got fooked.

**luna** · 11-14-2003, 10:26 PM

FWIW, there really *is* a biological reason as to why some (I stress SOME) really can't just start working out and eating right and *poof* lose weight. When someone is lacking a metabolism, they can work out 24 hours a day and not shed a pound.

**Quarath** · 11-15-2003, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Spectre

I'm going to start an anti-fatass lobby. If you're more than 20% overweight I'm going to make gagging noises when I see you jam a doughnut in your mouth. (like the annoying smartass cough non-smokers make whenever they walk near smokers.....the smoke may be totally going the other direction...but these jerks always have to do the cough. :x :evil: )

I'm going to call all fat people disgusting because their bad habit of eating junkfood is wrecking their bodies and making my world a more horrrible place to live in because I have to look at them. I'm going to ALWAYS remind them that their habit is going to make their little heart explode one day just when their chubby little fingers pick up that next HO-HO. Fat / ugly people are violating my right to live in a pleasent world, thus should be segregated from us normal, thin, attractive people.

I propose a "Fat only" section at restraunts or even go as far as having a ban on fat people in the first place.

NOW...how's that sound???

That's all find and dandy as long long as your sitting the section labeled RUDE JERKS. Body Style is very genetic. The only people who change that are those who can do a complete makeover of their metabolism. If this was simple thing for people to do there wouldn't be billion dollar industry in weightloss alone. I am happy that you live so perfectly that this is not a problem for you, but there are people out there on the complete oppisite of the scale. They look great and don't exrecise and eat crap all the time and they look great because they happened to get the luck of having a natually high metabolism. This is genetic to.

I admire Smokers who smoke responsibly not forcing their stink on everyone else and despise the ones that light wherever they want and don't even give have the courtesy to ask if it bothers you. I will make the coughing sound but usually it's because I'm freaking coughing because I can't breath the crud floating in the air. SOrry to tell you but to a non-smoker it takes very little smoke in the air to cause one to cough. It happens to be a natural phenominon where ones body tries to expel nasty toxins that it knows does not belong there and are harmful to it. If I chose to walk over to the smoking area and talk with friends who are smoking I don't say anything rude or crude to them about their smoking because I am chosing to accept it while I'm there if I don't like it I will leave. If someone stands in a line for a public building or event with me and lights up, I'm going to tell them to put it out.

11-15-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Quarath

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Originally Posted by Spectre

I'm going to start an anti-fatass lobby. If you're more than 20% overweight I'm going to make gagging noises when I see you jam a doughnut in your mouth. (like the annoying smartass cough non-smokers make whenever they walk near smokers.....the smoke may be totally going the other direction...but these jerks always have to do the cough. :x :evil: )

I'm going to call all fat people disgusting because their bad habit of eating junkfood is wrecking their bodies and making my world a more horrrible place to live in because I have to look at them. I'm going to ALWAYS remind them that their habit is going to make their little heart explode one day just when their chubby little fingers pick up that next HO-HO. Fat / ugly people are violating my right to live in a pleasent world, thus should be segregated from us normal, thin, attractive people.

I propose a "Fat only" section at restraunts or even go as far as having a ban on fat people in the first place.

NOW...how's that sound???

That's all find and dandy as long long as your sitting the section labeled RUDE JERKS. Body Style is very genetic. The only people who change that are those who can do a complete makeover of their metabolism. If this was simple thing for people to do there wouldn't be billion dollar industry in weightloss alone. I am happy that you live so perfectly that this is not a problem for you, but there are people out there on the complete oppisite of the scale. They look great and don't exrecise and eat crap all the time and they look great because they happened to get the luck of having a natually high metabolism. This is genetic to.

I admire Smokers who smoke responsibly not forcing their stink on everyone else and despise the ones that light wherever they want and don't even give have the courtesy to ask if it bothers you. I will make the coughing sound but usually it's because I'm freaking coughing because I can't breath the crud floating in the air. SOrry to tell you but to a non-smoker it takes very little smoke in the air to cause one to cough. It happens to be a natural phenominon where ones body tries to expel nasty toxins that it knows does not belong there and are harmful to it. If I chose to walk over to the smoking area and talk with friends who are smoking I don't say anything rude or crude to them about their smoking because I am chosing to accept it while I'm there if I don't like it I will leave. If someone stands in a line for a public building or event with me and lights up, I'm going to tell them to put it out.

Well thank you.....I am one of theose "responsible" smokers. I usually always find a place outside with very few people, and then I enjoy my cigarette. If I'm talking to someone and want to smoke, I ask them if it's ok if I do...if they ask me not to...I don't.

I date a non-smoker and it's been hard...as I've been trying to quit for some time...however I'm VERY sensitive to the fact that I smoke. I NEVER kiss her after I've had a cigarette and ALWAYS wash my hands, brush my teeth and gargle before I do kiss her.

Of course my example about fat people wasn't serious, as I at one point in my life had a weight problem as well....I was simply trying to prove a point.

I do hate the rude smokers...but simply don't lump us all together...as there are tons of people who smoke but aren't proud of it....like me.

Sniper · 11-15-2003, 12:52 AM

smoke smells yucky.
My view
Smoking section (in back)
Nonsmoking section (in front)
Restrooms (in middle)
Bussinesses (smoke outside)
(i don't smoke.. i'm 15 :P)

**_Ender_** · 11-15-2003, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by eternal

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Originally Posted by Spectre

I am one of theose "responsible" smokers. I usually always find a place outside with very few people, and then I enjoy my cigarette. If I'm talking to someone and want to smoke, I ask them if it's ok if I do...if they ask me not to...I don't.

I date a non-smoker and it's been hard...as I've been trying to quit for some time...however I'm VERY sensitive to the fact that I smoke. I NEVER kiss her after I've had a cigarette and ALWAYS wash my hands, brush my teeth and gargle before I do kiss her.

Kudos, I wish there were more smokers like you. I don't however remember you brushing before you kissed me.

Ditto what E said

**Wyzcrak** · 11-15-2003, 02:41 AM

Talk of Republicans and Democrats typically makes me roll my eyes, as no one in politics is consistent, no one can be trusted to do as they say they will, and the partisan practices of party-line politicians disgust me.

That having been said, I find myself time and again leaning toward small government and the protection of personal rights. I personally find the inhalation of second-hand cigarette smoke about as appealing as licking up from the theatre floor the Coca-Cola that was spilled as the patrons enjoyed their beverages. But I really do think that it should be a decision for store owners for the duration of the vice's legal status. If it's illegal (no complaints here), fine. But until then, let's leave it ... legal... shall we?

It just makes good sense, and that's coming from someone who takes noteworthy discomfort from being consumed by second-hand smoke. :/

Wyzcrak

P.S. Can anyone come up with a second legal practice that negatively impacts the health of those forced to be around those doing it? The obesity analogy was weak and ineffective in making the point. And it seems to me that, if none of us can think of another situation similar to the one we're discussing, than this scenario is unique to cigarette smoking and those of us whose health is forced to suffer from it involuntarily.

Kikkoman · 11-15-2003, 04:11 AM

as far as restraunts are concerned it should be up to the owner, if they choose to allow smoking, not allow smoking, or have smoking and non-smoking sections it is up to them. if you walk into a restraunt with smokers and you dont like it, don't eat there. if you walk into a restraunt and you want to smoke but you cant, don't eat there. and if you walk into a restraunt that is half and half and you don't like it, then tough ****.

businesses and government buildings should not allow smoking inside, not only because it WILL affect the people around you but the fact that you can have enough breaks and time outside to smoke. you cant always do the things you want to do while you're working, i cant drink or play ping-pong at work, you cant smoke. tough ****.

and when it comes to that ******* outside on the street corner who is blowing smoke in your face... well there really is nothing you can do besides ask or try and work through it. life sucks, get over it. i'm also not saying that because you smoke you're an *******, i'm just saying you're an ******* who smokes. KK Thnx L~

**Wolfie** · 11-15-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

FWIW, there really *is* a biological reason as to why some (I stress SOME) really can't just start working out and eating right and *poof* lose weight. When someone is lacking a metabolism, they can work out 24 hours a day and not shed a pound.

Luna is correct. I am on the opposite scale. I eat a lot of food every day, don't excercise regularly, and I can not gain weight because my metabolism is so high, it burns off everything.

Geisha · 11-15-2003, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

P.S. Can anyone come up with a second legal practice that negatively impacts the health of those forced to be around those doing it? The obesity analogy was weak and ineffective in making the point. And it seems to me that, if none of us can think of another situation similar to the one we're discussing, than this scenario is unique to cigarette smoking and those of us whose health is forced to suffer from it involuntarily.

You beat me to it. No, I don't believe there is any other legal practice that inherently (and involuntarily) causes physical damage to everyone in the immediate area. Drinking - only if you're irresponsible and drive drunk or something. Owning a gun - only if there's some accident involving your negligence. Etc. If you stretch a point, you could say that only irresponsible smokers (those that aren't careful/aware like Spectre) cause damage to those around them, but there's only so much you can do to protect those around you from your smoke (e.g. my hotel room). So I agree that smoking is a unique case.

For the record, I don't fake "the cough," I never complain about other people smoking around me (except possibly at home after the fact), but I will politely leave the area when I get too itchy-eyed and wheezy. My in-laws still get offended by this, I'm not sure why...

I've known people that quit the habit cold turkey because they got a completely non-related form of cancer. And then my grandmother got emphysema and the oxygen tank - and kept smoking anyway. My aunts were terrified she would blow herself up lighting up some day. One of my in-laws quit because of her blood pressure, only to start up again 2 months later when she found out she was pregnant. I don't understand how a rabid pro-lifer that believes conception=person-with-rights can justify that. Anyway, it's an addiction, and to expand Wyz's question, what other legal forms of addiction are there? Or do you count emotional addictions like "sex addiction"?

Daxx · 11-15-2003, 03:37 PM

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Anyway, it's an addiction, and to expand Wyz's question, what other legal forms of addiction are there? Or do you count emotional addictions like "sex addiction"?

Alcohol.
Gaming.
Sex.
In Canada at least, marijuana (heavily regulated, limited)

But none of those, with the exception of the mj, have detrimental health effects to people around you.

11-14-2003, 08:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Begbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Knoxville Tennessee Age: 29 Posts: 463	Ok, So i have to sit in the fat and smoking section? Or or they one in the same? Cus i need to know these things. Anyway... On topic.. I see smoking just like cell phone usage. I dont want to hear some vain jackass telling everyone in the world that he is the greatest thing in the world, and i would respect him not wanting me to smoke. If i cant smoke in your business.. thats cool, i dont want cause any trouble... But i do expect in the same business jonny jackass cant scream on his cell phone. I should be able to smoke anywhere i feel like it... as long as its not getting in the faces of non smokers...Outside.. smoking section... where ever..its cool .. just put the cell phones away and out of my face. __________________ I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. --Douglas Adams

11-14-2003, 10:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
luna Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rhode Island Age: 29 Posts: 4,103	FWIW, there really is a biological reason as to why some (I stress SOME) really can't just start working out and eating right and poof lose weight. When someone is lacking a metabolism, they can work out 24 hours a day and not shed a pound. __________________ Resurgent's New Motivational Motto: "Now train harder! Live inside your character! If it dies, YOU DIE! Focus!" Jesus had a soulstone.

11-15-2003, 12:52 AM	#24 (permalink)
Sniper Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis Age: 19 Posts: 1,724	smoke smells yucky. My view Smoking section (in back) Nonsmoking section (in front) Restrooms (in middle) Bussinesses (smoke outside) (i don't smoke.. i'm 15 :P) __________________ New Server1 IP. Read the stickies!! This is how you check your STEAMID and register it.

11-15-2003, 04:11 AM	#27 (permalink)
Kikkoman Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 119	as far as restraunts are concerned it should be up to the owner, if they choose to allow smoking, not allow smoking, or have smoking and non-smoking sections it is up to them. if you walk into a restraunt with smokers and you dont like it, don't eat there. if you walk into a restraunt and you want to smoke but you cant, don't eat there. and if you walk into a restraunt that is half and half and you don't like it, then tough **. businesses and government buildings should not allow smoking inside, not only because it WILL affect the people around you but the fact that you can have enough breaks and time outside to smoke. you cant always do the things you want to do while you're working, i cant drink or play ping-pong at work, you cant smoke. tough . and when it comes to that *** outside on the street corner who is blowing smoke in your face... well there really is nothing you can do besides ask or try and work through it. life sucks, get over it. i'm also not saying that because you smoke you're an ***, i'm just saying you're an ***** who smokes. KK Thnx L~ __________________ And god said "LET THERE BE HALF-LIFE!" and so it was...

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11-14-2003, 10:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 28 Posts: 2,048	High School US history class. I had a teacher who was a heavy smoker, I mean heavy smoker. The time I had the class was right after his break so of course through the whole break he in out side with us kids smoking. Anyway, it was a 45 minute class, and through the first 30 minutes of it, he was coughing, really bad. Like coughing up a lung or something. He couldnt even teach the class at all thats how bad it was. So the 45 minute class was basically him coughing for 25 to 35 minutes and then about 10 to 20 minutes of actual work. It was a great class, until finals came around and my whole class was staring at ** that he never covered because he was having his 30 minute coughing fits every day so he wasnt able to teach class properly. The entire class of 25 students ended up failing the class that semester because we couldnt pass the finals because he wasnt teaching us anything because he was a hardcore smoker and had to cough up a lung after his smoking break. I bitched and bitched and bitched to my head master (we all did) and they didnt do ** about it so we all ended up transfering to a different class before we got fooked.

11-15-2003, 02:41 AM	#26 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,132	Talk of Republicans and Democrats typically makes me roll my eyes, as no one in politics is consistent, no one can be trusted to do as they say they will, and the partisan practices of party-line politicians disgust me. That having been said, I find myself time and again leaning toward small government and the protection of personal rights. I personally find the inhalation of second-hand cigarette smoke about as appealing as licking up from the theatre floor the Coca-Cola that was spilled as the patrons enjoyed their beverages. But I really do think that it should be a decision for store owners for the duration of the vice's legal status. If it's illegal (no complaints here), fine. But until then, let's leave it ... legal... shall we? It just makes good sense, and that's coming from someone who takes noteworthy discomfort from being consumed by second-hand smoke. :/ Wyzcrak P.S. Can anyone come up with a second legal practice that negatively impacts the health of those forced to be around those doing it? The obesity analogy was weak and ineffective in making the point. And it seems to me that, if none of us can think of another situation similar to the one we're discussing, than this scenario is unique to cigarette smoking and those of us whose health is forced to suffer from it involuntarily.

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