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**CingularDuality** · 11-22-2003, 02:44 AM

I don't believe it's my place to say whether MJ is innocent or guilty of this crime. There's a huge system set up to determine this, and it wouldn't surprise me which way the ruling goes...

Things to consider:

The child is/was dying of cancer and his last wish was to be friends with Jackson. If you were a parent, could you deny your child his dying wish? I couldn't. I'd damn sure be right next to him every second, but I'd want his wish granted.

Jackson is rich. Very rich. He already bought this family a house, car and vacations. Why not throw some false allegations his way and see if some more money (12.8 million?) comes out of it?

The DA in Santa Barbara County was very upset at not being able to prosecute Jackson during the last big accusation. The DA indicated that he would get Jackson sooner or later.

I think most of the things to consider against MJ have already been brought up, so I won't repeat them.

The guy's definitely weird, but I'm not convinced that he's a pedophile. Our society is sooo puritanical and paranoid these days, that I don't know whether he'll be able to get a fair trial.

A couple of months ago, I got a scare along the lines of MJ. On my lunch break, I got some fast food to go and went to a park to eat it. I sat at a table near a playground and was pleasantly watching a bunch of kids joyfully playing while I ate my lunch. Before I could finish, a cop rolled up with lights flashing and I was interrogated about my choice of places to eat. When I told him that I was simply enjoying watching some kids have fun, I was called a sicko and the cop got back in his car, drove around the park a few times and left. While it was fun to see kids running around without a care in the world, my experience was pretty scary. I was seriously bothered by the incident.

Although I don't like inviting kids over to innocently sleep with them, I love cuddling with my son (for a while, anyway...). I think this is different, because he's my family, but some cultures define "family" differently from others...

Now, looking back on these last two paragraphs, can you absolutely guarantee that MJ just isn't a weirdo that honestly likes innocent sleepovers with kids? Think about how messed up his childhood was, and think about how awesome it would be to be a kid again. If you had enough money, wouldn't it be cool to have your own zoo and amusement park? Perhaps that wouldn't be your first choice for spending your money, but is it evil that Jackson made those choices?

I'm not defending MJ, I just think that until there are facts that point to him being a child molestor, I'll refrain from judging him.

And maybe I've said more than I should and you guys will think I'm some sort of a freak as well...

jex · 11-22-2003, 07:53 AM

[You can see how easy it is to get the people for or against someone by introducing little fact and a lot of story.]

Unless anyone knows, in depth about MJ then I fail to see how anyone can lean one way or the other. He is innocent until proven guilty, regardless of past allegations/convictions.

They say the family aren't sueing, but what about the book deals next year? Yes MJ has had this allegation before, doesn't mean it is true and he was cleared of the last one.

It could be that he is just a big kid, he's hardly mature let's face it. Perhaps he just loves kids to the point where he wants to be with them. How do we know that he is kiddy-fiddling and what is the boundary of such an allegation?

Is to cuddle up to a child, not your own, nothing more than love for a child as long as no sexual conotations are implied?

It could be that he he is a peado - in which case he should be punished.

Personally I think the guy is a complete weirdo and it is because of that he now finds himself accused - he doesn't conform to the norms of society, his mind set is way off anything mature but then in some instances I do see that he has a lot of love in his heart, perhaps something we should all have.

The court case will tell and until the facts come out I'll leave the speculating to others

**Wyzcrak** · 11-22-2003, 01:31 PM

CD, we know you're a freak. (<-- obligatory jab

)

No seriously, great thoughts. Well said.

Wyzcrak

**_Ender_** · 11-22-2003, 04:18 PM

Sorry, some times a duck is just a duck.

One must ask though, why would you spend all the millions of dollars to pay somebody off if you're innocent? You gotta think about that.

Diablo · 11-22-2003, 06:11 PM

also remeber the parent are just as guilty for allowing there kids to go over there .. wtf were they thinking...

**luna** · 11-22-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Ender_

Sorry, some times a duck is just a duck.

One must ask though, why would you spend all the millions of dollars to pay somebody off if you're innocent? You gotta think about that.

I would think that a full blown trial, regardless of his innocence, could potentially ruin any career he had left.

**_Ender_** · 11-22-2003, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =luna=

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Ender_

Sorry, some times a duck is just a duck.

One must ask though, why would you spend all the millions of dollars to pay somebody off if you're innocent? You gotta think about that.

I would think that a full blown trial, regardless of his innocence, could potentially ruin any career he had left.

But buying off the witnesses is never a good idea, at least with a not guilty verdict people may not believe it, but he was found not not guilty by his peers. Him buying off the witnesses just shows he was guilty and trying to hide it.

**luna** · 11-22-2003, 06:27 PM

I thought the kid involved refused to testify against him..

**_Ender_** · 11-22-2003, 06:36 PM

Nope, he paid the last boy 28 mil to not testify against him.

**CingularDuality** · 11-22-2003, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Ender_

One must ask though, why would you spend all the millions of dollars to pay somebody off if you're innocent? You gotta think about that.

Us mortals may not be able to comprehend it, but that's really not a lot of money for the most successful entertainer in history to throw around...

People like him throw parties that cost more.

Let's see, ruin my life by suffering through a trial, or skip next summer's big party? Tough choice, huh?

**phyllis** · 11-22-2003, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by =luna=

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Ender_

Sorry, some times a duck is just a duck.

One must ask though, why would you spend all the millions of dollars to pay somebody off if you're innocent? You gotta think about that.

I would think that a full blown trial, regardless of his innocence, could potentially ruin any career he had left.

I'm not sure it would have ruined his career at all.....actually, I think it would have been better for him, if he was innocent, go to trial, prove to the world that he's not as fruity as he acts ! I'd say _Ender_ has it right on the nose...

**_Ender_** · 11-22-2003, 07:27 PM

I dont get how its going to "ruin his life" if he goes through with the trial. If he's found "not guilty" then he is not guilty.

Or what about this... dont get yourself into these situations to begin with? I know he loves kids and everything, but come on, sleeping with them in his own bed? And then he is surprised when he gets accused of this sort of thing. He has to be really stupid.

EDIT: Exactly Phyllis. If he went to the original trial and he was found not guilty then he would of had more support this time.

**phyllis** · 11-22-2003, 07:37 PM

... I'd have been more apt to believe the second time around, that he was innocent, and that this was just a plot for someone to get rich, if he was found not guilty the first time. It seems to me, that he convicted himself by paying the first bunch off....

**CingularDuality** · 11-22-2003, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Ender_

I dont get how its going to "ruin his life" if he goes through with the trial. If he's found "not guilty" then he is not guilty.

OJ was found "not guilty". Is everything better for him? Does the world think better of him now? I think not...

**phyllis** · 11-22-2003, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

OJ was found "not guilty". Is everything better for him? Does the world think better of him now? I think not...

I don't know....is it better for him ? You sure don't have him plastered on the media...for another murder...., or attempted muder....

11-22-2003, 02:44 AM	#16 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 16,516	I don't believe it's my place to say whether MJ is innocent or guilty of this crime. There's a huge system set up to determine this, and it wouldn't surprise me which way the ruling goes... Things to consider: The child is/was dying of cancer and his last wish was to be friends with Jackson. If you were a parent, could you deny your child his dying wish? I couldn't. I'd damn sure be right next to him every second, but I'd want his wish granted. Jackson is rich. Very rich. He already bought this family a house, car and vacations. Why not throw some false allegations his way and see if some more money (12.8 million?) comes out of it? The DA in Santa Barbara County was very upset at not being able to prosecute Jackson during the last big accusation. The DA indicated that he would get Jackson sooner or later. I think most of the things to consider against MJ have already been brought up, so I won't repeat them. The guy's definitely weird, but I'm not convinced that he's a pedophile. Our society is sooo puritanical and paranoid these days, that I don't know whether he'll be able to get a fair trial. A couple of months ago, I got a scare along the lines of MJ. On my lunch break, I got some fast food to go and went to a park to eat it. I sat at a table near a playground and was pleasantly watching a bunch of kids joyfully playing while I ate my lunch. Before I could finish, a cop rolled up with lights flashing and I was interrogated about my choice of places to eat. When I told him that I was simply enjoying watching some kids have fun, I was called a sicko and the cop got back in his car, drove around the park a few times and left. While it was fun to see kids running around without a care in the world, my experience was pretty scary. I was seriously bothered by the incident. Although I don't like inviting kids over to innocently sleep with them, I love cuddling with my son (for a while, anyway...). I think this is different, because he's my family, but some cultures define "family" differently from others... Now, looking back on these last two paragraphs, can you absolutely guarantee that MJ just isn't a weirdo that honestly likes innocent sleepovers with kids? Think about how messed up his childhood was, and think about how awesome it would be to be a kid again. If you had enough money, wouldn't it be cool to have your own zoo and amusement park? Perhaps that wouldn't be your first choice for spending your money, but is it evil that Jackson made those choices? I'm not defending MJ, I just think that until there are facts that point to him being a child molestor, I'll refrain from judging him. And maybe I've said more than I should and you guys will think I'm some sort of a freak as well... __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

11-22-2003, 06:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
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11-22-2003, 06:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
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11-22-2003, 07:37 PM	#28 (permalink)
phyllis Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Age: 40 Posts: 1,502	... I'd have been more apt to believe the second time around, that he was innocent, and that this was just a plot for someone to get rich, if he was found not guilty the first time. It seems to me, that he convicted himself by paying the first bunch off.... __________________

11-22-2003, 07:53 AM	#17 (permalink)
jex Join Date: May 2003 Location: United Kingdom Age: 37 Posts: 3,275	[You can see how easy it is to get the people for or against someone by introducing little fact and a lot of story.] Unless anyone knows, in depth about MJ then I fail to see how anyone can lean one way or the other. He is innocent until proven guilty, regardless of past allegations/convictions. They say the family aren't sueing, but what about the book deals next year? Yes MJ has had this allegation before, doesn't mean it is true and he was cleared of the last one. It could be that he is just a big kid, he's hardly mature let's face it. Perhaps he just loves kids to the point where he wants to be with them. How do we know that he is kiddy-fiddling and what is the boundary of such an allegation? Is to cuddle up to a child, not your own, nothing more than love for a child as long as no sexual conotations are implied? It could be that he he is a peado - in which case he should be punished. Personally I think the guy is a complete weirdo and it is because of that he now finds himself accused - he doesn't conform to the norms of society, his mind set is way off anything mature but then in some instances I do see that he has a lot of love in his heart, perhaps something we should all have. The court case will tell and until the facts come out I'll leave the speculating to others

11-22-2003, 01:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,132	CD, we know you're a freak. (<-- obligatory jab ) No seriously, great thoughts. Well said. Wyzcrak

11-22-2003, 04:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 28 Posts: 2,048	Sorry, some times a duck is just a duck. One must ask though, why would you spend all the millions of dollars to pay somebody off if you're innocent? You gotta think about that.

11-22-2003, 06:36 PM	#24 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 28 Posts: 2,048	Nope, he paid the last boy 28 mil to not testify against him.

11-22-2003, 07:27 PM	#27 (permalink)
_Ender_ Join Date: May 2003 Location: I am lost, if you know where I am then please feel free to tell me. Age: 28 Posts: 2,048	I dont get how its going to "ruin his life" if he goes through with the trial. If he's found "not guilty" then he is not guilty. Or what about this... dont get yourself into these situations to begin with? I know he loves kids and everything, but come on, sleeping with them in his own bed? And then he is surprised when he gets accused of this sort of thing. He has to be really stupid. EDIT: Exactly Phyllis. If he went to the original trial and he was found not guilty then he would of had more support this time.

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