if you're gonna play with fire.... - Page 2

**Wyzcrak** · 04-08-2005, 02:52 PM

Like I say... sue on.. the "punch" as you called it (lol -- good call) was disproportional to his showing. I guess he just lost sympathy points with me for even giving the show at all.

Root · 04-08-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Nope, I meant he has to leave your store, not necessarily your property. Once he walks out the door of your store, even though he's still in your parking lot, he has stolen from you.

Ok I misunderstood. Yep, it's just the same here. Well in that respect anyway. I can read 'em their rights while I wait for the police to arrive too. Only found that out recently, although I find reasonable force is usually the order of the day rather than talking to them.

Root

Root · 04-08-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

They violated his civil rights because he wanted to make a point by paying his debt with small bills? I don't see how you can compare the two...

And doesn't anyone else have an opinion on this? Did this guy do anything wrong?

They detained him for paying in small bills?!?!?!?! Oh if only I could get away with that. There's only one thing worse than some ass using a £50 note to pay for a few quids worth of shopping, and that's someone doing it and lacking the courtesy to apologise for not having something smaller. There you go - £48.39 change now get your hands behind your head and get on your damn knees you scum. I'm calling the cops!

It's disgusting that they acted this way. If that happened to me, I'd call the police on the 9's and have some arrests made for unlawful imprisonment and wrongful arrest.

Root

**=DdogG=** · 04-08-2005, 05:32 PM

there was absolutely no provocation in Best Buy's actions. It is illegal to say the least. All US paper currency states on it clearly that it is "This note is legal tender for all depts public and private" therefore, he has every right to pay with a $10,000.00 bill or 1,000,000 pennies.... legal is legal is legal.

**Dog** · 04-08-2005, 05:44 PM

"You can't fight city hall"

From my read of the story, and assorted articles around it,,if it wasn't for the multiple levels of bureaucratic bad customer service, this guy would have been fine. And he fought fire with fire, by turning their own system against them...

The fact that the poor floor staff and local management is clueless about how to handle this stuff speaks to how BB trains them... Which tells me what BB cares about. (not the customer).

The argument being that the clerk at Nordstroms and Kmart are both equally eager to please, but Nordstroms cares to have better customer friendly systems.

**phyllis** · 04-10-2005, 06:26 PM

3 Cheers to that guy !

He did notta thing wrong, I'm gonna remember that one

T'was a right fine idea

Uchiha Obito · 04-10-2005, 07:41 PM

I'll put in my 2 cents on shop lifting. I used to work for EB Games and we were not allowed to stop anyone even if we did observe them shop lifting, not sure if it was company policy, mall policy, or the law. But we were not allowed to lay a finger on a customer and were left to simply call security and hope they were caught, 9 times out of 10 they weren't.

**CingularDuality** · 04-10-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Uchiha Obito

I'll put in my 2 cents on shop lifting. I used to work for EB Games and we were not allowed to stop anyone even if we did observe them shop lifting, not sure if it was company policy, mall policy, or the law. But we were not allowed to lay a finger on a customer and were left to simply call security and hope they were caught, 9 times out of 10 they weren't.

That's how it is in most retail establishments. If the store can't afford to have a loss prevention specialist or off duty cop in the store, then there's not much the store can do... Too much liability in having untrained clerks trying to play police...

**TheFeniX** · 04-10-2005, 11:15 PM

I'd like to kick the cop that arrested that man right in his balls. I can just imagine that the 57 year-old man could easily be my dad. Handcuffing him to a chair for trying to pay for services rendered? Customer service at it's best.

I will give him crap for one thing: letting Best Buy install a car radio. Those installers are retards, marginally better than those at Mobile One (whose managers are as brain-dead as they come, I got a nice long story about that crap if anyone cares to hear it). Car Toys is good, but rediculously expensive.]

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For Baltimore County police, said spokesman Bill Toohey, "It's a sign that we're all a little nervous in the post-9/11 world."

Oh my God!! 2 dollar bills! They're actually laced with Anthrax and Napalm. He's paying in a way people aren't used to and the average IQ of a Best Buy worker is 85. We're all DOOMED.™

Well, I guess that makes it all better. Mention an incident that happened 4 years ago as an excuse to throw a law-abiding tax-paying citizen in jail because your deputies are idiots.

Had the same crap out here in Fulshear. Nothing but fat and lazy cops doing nothing but writing speeding tickets. Who needs 8 cops in a town of 500 people? One particular scum-bag handcuffed my brother to a chair for 4 hours for "running a stop-sign" even though my brother stopped there on his motorcycle, stood up, and took a picture of the new gas station for a report my dad was doing. He showed the time/date stamped digital picture to the judge who then claimed it was counter-fit (And this was directly after he was handcuffed to the chair).

Thankfully, all the deputies and the judge got canned when IA came in. Although, I bet money they work for HPD now.

Anyways, my point is that the arresting officer needs to pull his head out of his ass and then get kicked out on it. But he'll probably get 2 weeks paid vacation.

**TheFeniX** · 04-10-2005, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Like I say... sue on.. the "punch" as you called it (lol -- good call) was disproportional to his showing. I guess he just lost sympathy points with me for even giving the show at all.

I'd sue for 10 million dollars, then force them to pay in all 2 dollar bills.

**Wyzcrak** · 04-10-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I'd sue for 10 million dollars, then force them to pay in all 2 dollar bills.

lollercopters

Root · 04-11-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

Oh my God!! 2 dollar bills! They're actually laced with Anthrax and Napalm. He's paying in a way people aren't used to and the average IQ of a Best Buy worker is 85. We're all DOOMED.™

Fenix people like you cause these problems. Always jumping on the WMD bandwagon. This was clearly a dastardly plan to destroy the American financial system. What else could have been intended by flooding the economy with so many $2 bills. OMG - KPMG have joined forces with Citibank and they're gonna take the world over. Hang on -

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We're all DOOMED.™

Root

**Switchcraft** · 04-13-2005, 05:47 AM

This story nudges into one of my seldom-troubled but still-lurking pet peeves.

US currency is legal tender for all debts, public and private. It is not a crime to use a 2 dollar bill, but it *IS* a crime to refuse to accept it when you are accepting other forms of cash. Some places (especially convenience stores) get away with not accepting large bills because they don't keep enough in the till to make change. This I can appreciate.

But I remember back in 1998, being stationed at Marine Corps Base Twentynine Palms, and going to a grocery store with my wife and being told that they weren't accepting the new 20 dollar bills "yet." I had to get the police involved to buy some milk. Not my happiest of moments.

Accepting a 2 dollar bill shouldn't be considered an inconvenience by any retailer. The only reason it is is because those retailers have chosen not to put a spot in their cash drawers for a bill they know very well is in circulation.

Either way, my personal bitterness aside, what he did was legal, and amusing at that. Best Buy's behaviour from a customer service standpoint seems pretty troublesome to me. I'm also pretty preturbed at his treatment by those in uniform...I see no reason to handcuff someone not suspected of a violent crime to a pole.

**CingularDuality** · 04-13-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

I'm also pretty preturbed at his treatment by those in uniform...I see no reason to handcuff someone not suspected of a violent crime to a pole.

Yeah, but the story doesn't say how he reacted when the police showed up. If he was extremely agitated and physically excited (no, not THAT way...) and failed to respond to verbal commands, he definitely gets the cuffs, regardless of whether he's suspected of a crime or not. If he then can't stand still with the handcuffs, he gets put on his ass. If he still tries to move around, then I'd be looking for something stationary to attach him to while I'm talking to the complainant. It's easy to make the police's actions look extreme and after seeing some things get twisted in the media firsthand, I no longer take those types of accounts at face value. I will take a two dollar bill at face value, though...

**TheFeniX** · 04-13-2005, 05:01 PM

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But, according to a Baltimore County police arrest report, suspicions were roused when an employee noticed some smearing of ink. So the cops were called in. One officer noticed the bills ran in sequential order.

"OMG consecuave 2 daloor bills! he a drug daeler and hids teh drugs in his kid5 r4doi!"

I see nothing about him "acting up" to the police officers. You'd think a police report where they did something stupid would report that. Although, I will admit that I don't know the ethics of this newspaper, they could have snipped it out.

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"I told them, 'I'm a tour operator. I've got thousands of these bills. I get them from my bank. You got a problem, call the bank,'" Bolesta says. "I'm sitting there in a chair. The store's full of people watching this. All of a sudden, he's standing me up and handcuffing me behind my back, telling me, 'We have to do this until we get it straightened out.'

I'm inclined to believe something like that happened rather than him giving the officers crap and that's why they arrested him, considering my before mentioned quote about the bone-head "OMG 9-11, we thouht teh 2 dollars bills says he a turrest!" mentioned absolutely nothing like "Well, we messed up, but in our defense: he was acting vehemently towards officers, so we were forced to cuff him."

Like I said, it's an assumption, but it's a good one based on the facts: the officers were acting about as intelligent in that situation as the Best Buy workers. Let's just say they fit into the left portion of the Bell Curve.

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=DdogG= Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ennis, TX Age: 31 Posts: 1,616	Re: if you're gonna play with fire.... there was absolutely no provocation in Best Buy's actions. It is illegal to say the least. All US paper currency states on it clearly that it is "This note is legal tender for all depts public and private" therefore, he has every right to pay with a $10,000.00 bill or 1,000,000 pennies.... legal is legal is legal. __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. -Harlan Ellison If all else fails: "rm -rf /"

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Dog Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 253	Re: if you're gonna play with fire.... "You can't fight city hall" From my read of the story, and assorted articles around it,,if it wasn't for the multiple levels of bureaucratic bad customer service, this guy would have been fine. And he fought fire with fire, by turning their own system against them... The fact that the poor floor staff and local management is clueless about how to handle this stuff speaks to how BB trains them... Which tells me what BB cares about. (not the customer). The argument being that the clerk at Nordstroms and Kmart are both equally eager to please, but Nordstroms cares to have better customer friendly systems. __________________

04-10-2005, 06:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
phyllis Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dayton Ohio Age: 40 Posts: 1,502	Re: if you're gonna play with fire.... 3 Cheers to that guy ! He did notta thing wrong, I'm gonna remember that one T'was a right fine idea __________________

04-10-2005, 07:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
Uchiha Obito Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Age: 25 Posts: 345	Re: if you're gonna play with fire.... I'll put in my 2 cents on shop lifting. I used to work for EB Games and we were not allowed to stop anyone even if we did observe them shop lifting, not sure if it was company policy, mall policy, or the law. But we were not allowed to lay a finger on a customer and were left to simply call security and hope they were caught, 9 times out of 10 they weren't.

04-13-2005, 05:47 AM	#28 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 30 Posts: 905	Re: if you're gonna play with fire.... This story nudges into one of my seldom-troubled but still-lurking pet peeves. US currency is legal tender for all debts, public and private. It is not a crime to use a 2 dollar bill, but it IS a crime to refuse to accept it when you are accepting other forms of cash. Some places (especially convenience stores) get away with not accepting large bills because they don't keep enough in the till to make change. This I can appreciate. But I remember back in 1998, being stationed at Marine Corps Base Twentynine Palms, and going to a grocery store with my wife and being told that they weren't accepting the new 20 dollar bills "yet." I had to get the police involved to buy some milk. Not my happiest of moments. Accepting a 2 dollar bill shouldn't be considered an inconvenience by any retailer. The only reason it is is because those retailers have chosen not to put a spot in their cash drawers for a bill they know very well is in circulation. Either way, my personal bitterness aside, what he did was legal, and amusing at that. Best Buy's behaviour from a customer service standpoint seems pretty troublesome to me. I'm also pretty preturbed at his treatment by those in uniform...I see no reason to handcuff someone not suspected of a violent crime to a pole.

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