American Pilot flies the bird, lands in hot water - Page 3

**Wolfie** · 01-15-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HSantal

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Whether or not it was appropriate, it was his right to express himself. Flipping the bird is just an expression, something that is protected by the US Constitution.

Sure it's his right. And yes it may be protected by your constitition.
But he wasn't IN America. Once you set foot in a foriegn country all bets are off. The rules and laws of that country apply. Not yours.

Okay, but is that a law in Brazil that is being applied to everyone or was it just dusted off in this case against an American expressing his opinion on Brazil's response to America requesting that all foreign travelers being identified in one way or another before entering America?

HSantal · 01-15-2004, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CNN

new Brazilian security measures that require U.S. citizens to be fingerprinted and photographed upon entering the South American country.

Brazil implemented the policy on January 1 in retaliation for a similar U.S. program that requires those foreign visitors who need visas to have their fingerprints and pictures taken on arrival in the United States.

It's quite possible they are doing it to protest the American policy. I agree.
You just have to remember that when in any foreign country (except ours of course

)to be carefull of what you do and say.

Upon reading the article it says

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Brazilians are among the top groups of illegal immigrants detained in the United States.

This makes the US policy reasonable to me. Brazil's just pissed I guess.

**CingularDuality** · 01-15-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I thought the identification process (fingerprints and photos) was being done to those that are on flights with no visas. Those with visas don't have to go through this process because the US Customs already has the information it needs about them. Or am I mistaken?

No... If you fly to the US, and you are supposed to have a Visa, but it's not with you, then you will NOT be allowed to enter the United States.

Perhaps I can explain a few things that will help sort things out:

Passport: document issued by your own country that proves ID and guarantees that you can come back to your own country.

Visa: document issued by a foreign nation that allows you to enter that nation under certain conditions. Usually a sticker or stamp that is attached to the passport.

Visa waivers: the US exempts certain people from certain countries from needing a Visa to enter the US. For instance a Canadian tourist that is driving to NYC to spend the weekend doesn't need a Visa. A Canadian that is visiting the US in order to start a business would need a Visa. There are quite a few countries in the Visa Waiver Program, but just because you're from that country doesn't mean you don't require a Visa. It depends on the purpose of your visit.

HSantal · 01-15-2004, 11:52 AM

Thanks Cing.
I was wondering about that. Very clear.

**Wyzcrak** · 01-15-2004, 12:11 PM

*muffled speech*AND ANOTHER THING. WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU IDIOTS PUT MY FOOT!!!*mufffled speech*

Oh. Right. Nevermind.

Wyzcrak

**Tempus** · 01-15-2004, 02:38 PM

Here is the 'scandal'.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040115/s/r2457072180.jpg

NothingMore. · 01-15-2004, 02:43 PM

Hahaha!

**Wyzcrak** · 01-15-2004, 02:44 PM

How can you argue that he should be held less-accountable, or that the validity of offense should be minimalize, simply because he was using cowardace to communicate his intent?

Wyzcrak

01-15-2004, 03:55 PM

Thats it...I officially hate you all.

The United States rules, Brazil drools. :P

Nuke the halfbreed protugese bastards. :twisted:

**leejo** · 01-15-2004, 04:17 PM

Is that what you put on your American Airlines application?

leejo

**Wyzcrak** · 01-15-2004, 04:27 PM

haha

Wyzcrak

NippleCorn · 01-16-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Read people. READ. Santal's question was simple. Are people without visas and fingerprint records upset that they have to get visas, or that they have to get visas and fingerprints? If you're not going to read the question, don't try to act like you're answering it.

And how the HELL can you pull that crap about US Constitution? He was in BRAZIL!!!

Continuing Benny's analogy, I don't see the big deal if this guy was a tourist. But he's an agent of our government. That holds him to a higher standard. He's a paid professional, and he was performing his profession, on the clock, when this happened.

Uh huh. So a commercial pilot is an AGENT of the US? Perhaps...I don't know. Are all US citizens 'Agents of the USA' in an official capacity? I don't think they are, but I could be wrong. But does it even matter? The point here is that this pilot is being held in a gambit, and expressed his frustration. I can't wrong him for that. It's really retarded when individual citizens get shafted due to some gross misreading of law, just because the two countries are having a spat.

By the way, when is Brazil going to get a handle on that rainforest of theirs and stop importing all that greenhouse gas of theirs?

LOL

Benny_ · 01-16-2004, 08:11 AM

ok fellas, lets have some warm milk and calm down.
Looking at that picture then ok, over-reaction. But I still say screw him, he looks untrustworthy, I bet he shoplifted as a kid.

I was just saying that he should know better, US citizen, flips the bird at foreign official, gets in trouble.

Brazilian citizen flips the bird at US official, everyone laughs it off and off he goes.......nah.

Ignoring the picture obviously, that is poor.

**CingularDuality** · 01-16-2004, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Benny_

I was just saying that he should know better, US citizen, flips the bird at foreign official, gets in trouble.

Brazilian citizen flips the bird at US official, everyone laughs it off and off he goes.......nah.

This is what bothers me... Granted, the guy shouldn't have done something so stupid, when he obviously knew it was a politically charged situation... But, like I said, the worst that would happen to someone that did that in the US is maybe a couple extra hours being inspected or some harsh words. I wonder if la pinche migra de brasil would always enforce this type of law, or if it was just because of current events... :?:

Geisha · 01-16-2004, 09:26 AM

Brazil is within their rights, on their own soil, to take punitative action if they feel he was being obstructive (by Brazil's legal definition, not the US's). This article is a bit vague about the actual circumstances and there's some speculation at the end that he was being discriminated against as an American, but it's only speculation in this article and even under *our* laws I think it would be a countercharge, not an extenuating circumstance. I don't think the punishment can legally be harsh or expensive unless Brazil can prove that he was causing or assisting the delay instead of merely protesting it. On that child's caning years ago I had to side completely with the foreign country - on this one, I'm torn. According to a Brazilian citizen I knew in college, the authorities there are not as restrained or governed as ours. So I'm coming down to: punishment is in order and legal (even if I privately think it's silly) - but it should be a minor punishment since I don't think he harmed anyone else, even indirectly.

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01-15-2004, 03:55 PM	#39 (permalink)
Spectre Guest Posts: n/a	Thats it...I officially hate you all. The United States rules, Brazil drools. :P Nuke the halfbreed protugese bastards. :twisted:

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01-16-2004, 08:11 AM	#43 (permalink)
Benny_ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 369	ok fellas, lets have some warm milk and calm down. Looking at that picture then ok, over-reaction. But I still say screw him, he looks untrustworthy, I bet he shoplifted as a kid. I was just saying that he should know better, US citizen, flips the bird at foreign official, gets in trouble. Brazilian citizen flips the bird at US official, everyone laughs it off and off he goes.......nah. Ignoring the picture obviously, that is poor.

01-16-2004, 09:26 AM	#45 (permalink)
Geisha Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 277	Brazil is within their rights, on their own soil, to take punitative action if they feel he was being obstructive (by Brazil's legal definition, not the US's). This article is a bit vague about the actual circumstances and there's some speculation at the end that he was being discriminated against as an American, but it's only speculation in this article and even under our laws I think it would be a countercharge, not an extenuating circumstance. I don't think the punishment can legally be harsh or expensive unless Brazil can prove that he was causing or assisting the delay instead of merely protesting it. On that child's caning years ago I had to side completely with the foreign country - on this one, I'm torn. According to a Brazilian citizen I knew in college, the authorities there are not as restrained or governed as ours. So I'm coming down to: punishment is in order and legal (even if I privately think it's silly) - but it should be a minor punishment since I don't think he harmed anyone else, even indirectly.

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