jex

If the discussion is to prove moore is a liar then watch the film, check the facts and prove it. From the shreds of the film you have seen - are they lies? I'd like to know what you have concluded since I intend to see the film and would like to continue the debate from there.

I don't deny anyone's right to comment on moore, but my point remains that commenting on a film you've not seen to me doesn't make any sense.

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Jex

=DdogG=

I have seen it and he does what he always does. leaves out the parts that counter his pov. I understand the point of his film is to tell his side of the story, so I can to some extent understand why he does it, but it is intentionally made one sided to support his theories and views. he is doing a lot of the same things he complains about others doing.

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DudeMan

well sorry jex if you had bothered to read the thread people have been over it lots of times, FYI i downloaded the damn film i am just uneasy with you telling people when they can and cant post.

you still miss the whole point and continue to insult people who are commenting.

follow your own logic and keep quiet till you watch it then. not very nice when its put to you is it.

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jex

I don't get worked up over any debates. It gets a little frustrating at times to explain my points but I'm certainly not upset by whats said. If you have seen the film then that makes our whole replies pretty pointless lol. So have you looked into the points he raises? Perhaps we can compare notes when I've seen it?

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DudeMan

it doesnt make it pointless because i was commenting long before i had seen it, because i knew he waqs slanting it, and i alsoi knew he exadurates points. therefore i am allowed to comment.

if you want to talk about it once you know what your talking about ok. but i already kniew because i have read around the film and seen certain illustrations of his biased work before.

but it seems discussing it here has come to an end for reasons beyond me i didnt seee a reason for that thread to be closed but whatever.

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leejo

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...raq_nuclear_dc


WHA????

Oh and FYI - I saw this story under my.yahoo.com's headline section. By the time I'd posted this thread they'd removed it from the headline section.

Bias?

DudeMan

i think there might be a sense of bias there but i dont know,

interesting however, it still doesnt prove much i am afraid, it was a UN area which means it was probably documented that they knew it was there,

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Fait_Maker

I posted my findings. Everyone chose to ignore them. My findings

So far I have seen no real points made about anything opposing me but whether we called it a documentary and is a documentary suppose to be factual.

You said Bush offered the money. I showed you he didn't.. You came back and said 1) You again try to link Bush to it because it was some oil barons who may or may not have done it. That implied, to me, that you still think Bush had his hand in it or want us to draw that conclusion. I find that a little deceitful or what I like to call Mooreful. It wasn't Bush but, as you say, his friends that may or may not have offered the money, so why did you even bring up the point?

2)The $100m is a little irrelevant if it's not even Bush we are talking about, but some "oil barons" who are private citizens and can buy up all the vaseline in the world for all I care.

3)Why would we bomb Saudia Arabia because some of it's citizens attacked us? Yet again you bring up the fact that SA has money invested in the US. It's in privately held companies, just like we have money invested in them.. and your country as a matter of fact. It's a global economy. Christ, let's make Bush the scapegoat for everything you see wrong in the world. As I said before, it doesn't matter what Bush does, he was wrong for doing it. Causality effect. Do you honestly think that Bush thought about Saudia and said "No, they have to much money invested in us. Let's go kick the crap out of Afghanistan."?

4)We went to Afghanistan because their government was harboring terrorists. We gave them plenty of chances to do the right thing. They basically said to go screw ourselves.

5)I've sourced a lot of the things I've said. Everyone wants to ignore it. I still want whomever to post the propaganda they think Hannity spews 3 hours everyday. Nobody rose to that challenge, but they sure kept posting the unproven claim over and over.

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I've not had gay love either, but I've heard about it. It's not for me either. I've never done cocaine either, but I've heard about it from people who have. It's not for me.

Let's say we are to play Russian Roulette and someone brought us out a pistol I've never seen before. You went first and without even looking at the pistol, I told you the bullet was the first one in the chamber. You fired and shot yourself dead. What if prior to that, someone I trusted told me that they put the bullet in the first chamber? Even though I didn't see it with my own eyes, would I be any less wrong or you less dead?

Nobody has come back and argued the points I've made about Moore's movie. They argued what we are going to call the movie. They've argued what Moore thought about the movie. Nobody has said I was wrong about his implications or what he tried to prove with his movie. Nobody has argued that I was wrong there. So why would it matter if I've seen it or not, if the points I've chosen to make go unanswered? Does that make my points any less valid?

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Fait_Maker

And to get back on topic, something I thought was interesting. Question, how much do we have to find before some one says, crap, he had WMD?

Polish Troops Find Sarin Warheads in Iraq

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HairyNevus

And to hopefully keep this on topic this ought to close the book on Michael Moore's latest film. No further debate needed, all the facts the way you like them. Very factful.

Oh yes, and they have something to say aboot thw WMD issue, too.

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DudeMan

i have noticed that alot these findings are brushed over because it want the cache that every one thought it would be.

well i know polish forces have found other stuff and UK forces found sarin war heads, and one of them went off.

also i think leejo of phyllis posted something about some weapons grade plutonium but because it isnt in one huge bunker its like oh well move along.

but you know when he presented his list of weapons to the UN i saw nothing about caches od plutonium and sarin gas war heads.

but i suppose ill get some reply telling me not enough has been found

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Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

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Benny_

There's always one person for everyone to hate....let it be me this time
The warheads could have been leftovers be pre-sanctions and UN resolutions. And yes they were ordered to destroy all agents...but 2 left over, (and I'll agree that there will prolly be more) in an all but harmless state...hardly the great threat.

Zebra

I didn't think you were serious. I'm not going to waste my time, because here's the problem: I can recognize propaganda no matter what side it's coming from. You obviously only see propaganda coming from one side, and think the other side's spreading the gospel. I've found that communicating with people like that is impossible, so enjoy the Kool Aid.

Zebra

Do you guys bother to read this stuff? That's leftover radioactive waste from Saddam's old nuclear program. The UN knew about it and had it sealed up. It was no danger to anybody, until we invaded the country and allowed looters to make off with it.