jex

It's actually quite a skill to recognise it and see how it is implemented. Have you studied psychology at all, particulary crowd/mass manipulation techniques?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FG08Aa01.html

Here's a link to an article I was reading the other day talking about this sort of stuff.

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DudeMan

i dont think thats what he is saying at all, and he would have a justified response that you are just side steppingwhat you have no clue about.
it is really simple answer the question or dont bother posting about the question

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Fait_Maker

The problem is you want to attack me for what I may or may not be. You haven't posted anything for me to recognize Zebra. You say "this" and you say "that" and then you tell me how ignorant I must be. It isn't "obvious", as you say, what I see. I am posting rebuttal to the things people have said here. You have given me nothing to rebutt but the fact that you keep posting claims without bothering even to back up your information. Just because I've asked you to back up your "propaganda claim" doesn't, even for a second, mean that I don't think the Right ever puts out propaganda. You said Hannity did. I listen to Hannity and I'm interested in what you think he's lied about. He constantly asks his callers to take him to task. "Prove that I've lied once". I'm asking you to prove he has said something that was a lie, because that is what propaganda is. If you aren't going to bother posting because of something that is "obvious", but not true, to you, why should I bother to listen to anything you claim?

If you have read any of my earlier posts, you would know that I've taken Bush to task on a multitude of things. I later found out I was wrong in my beliefs and changed my mind. Your last comment would be terribly inappropriate if you knew this. I've had my mind changed by good argument. I've PROVEN in these forums that good argument can make me change my mind. Don't paint me with your wide brush. It only makes you look foolish.

None of this is about me, so stop attacking me and attack my argument, or in this case, just answer my question. Where has Hannity lied?

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Zebra

I don't believe I've ever told you that you were ignorant.

No, that's not necessarily what propaganda is. Propaganda is simply spreading information to further some cause or idea. It's possible for something to be 100% truthful and still be propaganda. Go ahead and look the definition up if you want.

Although Hannity does lie, and I'll offer links below, I assumed it would be obvious that he's a propagandist because he doesn't hide the fact that he has an agenda. In fact, he often asks people to help him advance the agenda. He loves Republicans and conservatives, and he uses his show to argue their positions. Sometimes he's being honest while only presenting his side of the argument, and sometimes he's being very misleading. Either way, he spends three hours a day on the radio trying to further his cause. That's propaganda.

Type "hannity lies" in a search engine and you'll get about a thousand more of these.

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020826.html
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=91585

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prop·a·gan·da n.

The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

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Fait_Maker

I'm doing what everyone else who's been arguing with me has. I'm reading between the lines and drawing a conclusion based on your comment which was "You obviously only see propaganda coming from one side, and think the other side's spreading the gospel. I've found that communicating with people like that is impossible, so enjoy the Kool Aid." To me, you are saying I'm ignorant.

Thank you for that Zebra. I will look into what you've linked and see if I believe it.

You are correct on your definition of propaganda. I have never bothered to look it up and have always believed it was lies because everyone's apparent negativity to propaganda. As propaganda is a push for a cause, let me say that I believe that Moore is LYING by ommission and half-truths. From now on, I will use the word lies and not propaganda because you have shown me that propaganda isn't a bad thing. There is nothing wrong with someone promoting a cause. Apparently, all my posts in alt.atheism, found under Dread, were propaganda, because I was pushing atheism or actually pushing the lack of religion in government. You have shown me the error in my ways and I do appreciate the correction.

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Zebra

I was just sort of shocked that you would deny something that seemed like common knowledge to me. I guess it was a misunderstanding, and I'm sorry. I don't think you're ignorant.

Generally, the people who use propagandist as an epithet are themselves propagandists. Any decent propagandist will try to convince you that they're telling you The Truth while the other side is spreading that dirty propaganda. Bill O'Reilly's quite the master of this.

I think lies is too strong to call what he's doing. It's one-sided, for sure, but so are a lot of other things. You should see it, if you haven't, before you come to a conclusion.

If you look hard enough, you'll find a few things wrong in anything of this nature. There are people who make a living nitpicking Rush and Hannity (and now Moore). Groups funded by various industries do it all the time when a scientific report they don't like comes out. Then there are fruitcakes who will take a book or documentary on the Holocaust and find a few details wrong and use that to claim the whole thing never happened. It's an old BS technique that's getting more popular now that people get so much of their information from the internet.