DudeMan

i donht like that comment. you do not have the right to decide what jex says or anyone else and its the second time i have seen a comment that is trying to shut someone up.. why dont you try to conduct an argument or discussion without feeling the need to supress someone.

i cant argue for this thread i really would need to do alot more background reading. but before you start flying in guns blaizing hear another side of the story. your inflamitory comments may give your argument a stronger persuasive slant but they are no neccessary.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

USN_Squid

Dudeman...

I never asked Jex or anyone else to shut up. I think I am arguing just fine thank you, with actual facts instead of vitriolic hyberbole and platitudes that seem to be flowing like so much conspiracy theory coming from Jerry Fletcher.

leejo

I didn't read anything inappropriate into Squid's remarks. He stated facts as he understands them, he didn't personalize his remarks, and he didn't launch into a rant.

DudeMan

didnt say he ranted but the initial you are getting away with this too much implies you have the answer the only answer and that jex is spinning bollox . if thats not the case then fine.. all is well i retract my comment.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

Wolfie

My understanding was that the reactors that the US/Japan/South Korea were building for North Korea could not be used to produced weapon grade uranium. NK is getting their weapon grade uranium from the nuclear plant they shut down as part of the treaty signed to give up nuclear weapons. I will have to check this out to see if I am correct later today.

Wolfie

Squid did no such thing. Jex made a statement that lacked lots of facts and squid informed him on several key issues that were not said. In no shape or form did he come into this thread and told Jex he couldn't make any posts, in no form was his remarks inflammatory, and he didn't come into the forum with this guns ablazing....

Now your post on the other hand...... :P

DudeMan

in your opinion wolfie, i myself would take that as an insult telling me i get away with this too much.

if the subject was informing jex he has spoken incorreectly and and says you get away with this too much.... well then i would take that to mean.. you talk bollocks anfd you do it all the time. because he has hihghlighted that jex has talked bollocks and implies he does it all the time...

so in you opinion nothing done. i have a different opinion. but seen as squid has validated that nmothing was intended, then it settles that doenst it.

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The Queen
"Those who perpetrate these brutal acts against innocent people should know that they will not change our way of life,"
Atrocities such as these simply reinforce our sense of community

TheFeniX
"Guns don't kill people: effeminate men in green tunics do"

phyllis

I'm thinking everyone here needs to take a deep breath...and cool off before they post....This is not the place for personal jabs back and forth.....Mature discussion is fine however...

...'nuff said....

jex

What am I getting away with and I did no such thing ('Jex made a statement that lacked lots of facts'). That statement was a fact. Rumsfeld was on the board of ABB when they were sold and then he left to work for Bush, having previously worked for Bush - but of course they didn't speak on those in between years did they.

It was actually in the year 2000 that ABB sold those reactors in a $200million deal and was the same nuclear capability stated by Bush & Co. in 2002 as proof that N korea was part of an axis of evil. Rumsfeld was on the board for eleven years before he left to join the current bush admin in 2001. The type of reactors involved produce plutonium that needs refining before it can be weaponised. One US congressman and critic of the korean regime described the reactors as 'nuclear bomb factories' . When question, rumsfeld claimed he didn't recall it being brought before the board. ABB said all board members were informed about the deal.

Funny how all these coincidences keep popping up don't they and we're still making excuses for them - I wonder why we are doing that?

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DudeMan

sorry jex i do agree with wolfie here, thats like blaiming the guy in a gun shop because one that he sold was used to kill. yeah he was on that board, before, the sale which i am being infromed had aquired the approval of the clinton team it is clear rumsfeld has a small part to play.

and also those reactors were if i am not mistaken for fuel puposes and hae been converted... if i buy a replica gun and put a barrel in it and make it a real gun i cannot blaim the guy who sold it to me...

leejo

selling N Korea the reactors might have been part of the deal with the Clinton administration.

jex

It was a deal with ABB, A company of which Rummy was a director of. I don't know of any links with Clinton or his admin - are you saying there are some?

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jex

That analogy is nothing like this. A gun kills one person. A nuclear reactor capable of producing plutonium has a potential to kill millions. It doesn't matter if they have to be converted. Considering N. Korea's stance with the US and rumsfeld postition are you actually backing up the sale and saying that nothing at all is untoward here? If so then I see no further point of debate as we'll just go around in circles and may as well save us all some time.

How many US troops are stationed in s korea, protecting it from the north? Something like 50,000? Does nobody here see anything wrong with this?

Thanks,

J.

leejo

Yes, I'm saying that when two countries make deals of this nature, one will ask for something like easing restrictions on selling certain technologies (nuclear power) to them in exchange for their halting their nuclear weapons programs.

DudeMan

no i think yes it does matter, not allowing the n korean governemtn the technology because they might would just make them go behind your back....

a quote fromk the dutchess of malfi kind of seemd directly relevent.

if theiur intentions were seemingly good then why do we have to suspoect them. the korean war has been over a long time. what they as a country in their own right choose to do with these reactors is beyond our controll. but after they make their decision to do this then we can step in.