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Old 06-22-2005, 05:29 PM   #136 (permalink)
 
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Re: Downing Street Memo- thoughts?

...or "Leaked British Memo Speculates War Predetermined in Bush Camp" I mean as much as I'd like this to be a smoking gun, it's nothing more than 1 man's opinion of what he saw in some meeting.
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Old 06-22-2005, 06:41 PM   #137 (permalink)
 
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They did. It was all over the news for a while. But what's the story? "Unconfirmed memo says Prez fixed intel to go to war!" That first word screws up the whole headline...
If you're waiting for Bush to come out and say "Yeah, it's real", you'll be waiting for a while.

You can substitute Unconfirmed for Undisputed, and you've got a much better headline, and just as true, for the time being.
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Old 06-22-2005, 06:58 PM   #138 (permalink)
 
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If you're waiting for Bush to come out and say "Yeah, it's real", you'll be waiting for a while.

You can substitute Unconfirmed for Undisputed, and you've got a much better headline, and just as true, for the time being.

the problem is i can come out tomorrow and say bush phoned me and asked me what to do i said invade and make up some evidence, it does nto have to be true, but if it were believeable, someone will make a killing out of it.

so unfortunatly, it does not matter what the word is substitued with, it still remains an allegation, and not proven.
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Old 06-22-2005, 07:19 PM   #139 (permalink)
 
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If you're waiting for Bush to come out and say "Yeah, it's real", you'll be waiting for a while.

You can substitute Unconfirmed for Undisputed, and you've got a much better headline, and just as true, for the time being.
There's a very good reason by CBS's ratings and CNN's circulation took dramatic dips after running stories that were unconfirmed. The people are tired of being manipulated and lied to...
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Old 06-22-2005, 07:34 PM   #140 (permalink)
 
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Re: Downing Street Memo- thoughts?

So you honestly expect Bush to hold a press conference and say, "Yep, it's real. 100% real. Thanks and goodnight."

Not going to happen.

Wake up. Both Bush and Blair were asked questions about the contents of the memo. Neither disputed the memo. Blair said, "that memorandum was written before we went to the United Nations", which sounds like he believes it was written before he went to the United Nations.

So lets get this straight:
Bush doesn't think it's fake.
Blair doesn't think it's fake.

Who else needs to acknowledge it? Poland?
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So you honestly expect Bush to hold a press conference and say, "Yep, it's real. 100% real. Thanks and goodnight."

Not going to happen.

Wake up. Both Bush and Blair were asked questions about the contents of the memo. Neither disputed the memo. Blair said, "that memorandum was written before we went to the United Nations", which sounds like he believes it was written before he went to the United Nations.

So lets get this straight:
Bush doesn't think it's fake.
Blair doesn't think it's fake.

Who else needs to acknowledge it? Poland?
no your inferring guilt again because of an omission to react by the leaders... thats not fair, you didnt deny it therefore you must be superman, thats not the basis if truth but the speculation.
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Old 06-22-2005, 07:58 PM   #142 (permalink)
 
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Re: Downing Street Memo- thoughts?

You are the one forgetting the whole side to this: They would never, ever, ever, confirm it. They have absolutely nothing to gain by confirming it. If the sky ripped open and a giant hand descended from the sky and dropped off a stone tablet with the downing street memo engraved on it, they probably wouldn't confirm it.

But this isn't a case of them not denying it. They have acknowledged it, and the best answer they can come up with is "No comment."

If this were a trial, and you asked the defendant "Are you guilty?" and they said "No comment", would you let them go? It would be unfair to assume they are guilty, after all.
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You are the one forgetting the whole side to this: They would never, ever, ever, confirm it. They have absolutely nothing to gain by confirming it. If the sky ripped open and a giant hand descended from the sky and dropped off a stone tablet with the downing street memo engraved on it, they probably wouldn't confirm it.

But this isn't a case of them not denying it. They have acknowledged it, and the best answer they can come up with is "No comment."

If this were a trial, and you asked the defendant "Are you guilty?" and they said "No comment", would you let them go? It would be unfair to assume they are guilty, after all.
Well, you asked why the media hasn't jumped all over this, and I explained why. If the media were able to confirm the credibility of the memo, it would be a much bigger deal. But they can't, so it's just another crackpot theory, really.

Don't confuse two seperate issues. Is it possible that both the US and UK gov't administrations arranged for every major intelligence service in the world to all agree that there were WMDs in Iraq before the war? I'm sure it's a possibility. And I'm sure that President Bush and Prime Minister Blair will deny "fixing" the intel no matter what evidence comes out that might seem to point in that direction. But that does not make the Downing Street Memo any more legitimate. If I take a driver's test, pass and receive a legitimate driver's license, it doesn't make my fake DL legitimate even though all the info on it is true. Until the memo is somehow proven to be the real deal, it's irrelevant if the content is telling the true story.
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