DudeMan

IN THE CLIMATE THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY ESPECIALLY IN THE UNITED STATES DO YOU WANT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE terrorists being able to buy ak47's just because it hasnt happend before does not mean it will not happen. and in these dys it is more and more likly it will happen.

all this risk just so regular jo can go hunt deer and obliterate any meat or whatever it had on it in the first place.

why do it, its infringing civil liberties... please get over that, why do you need it, unless there is a viable explanation why its nesscery to own one of these then i will not be in favor of it.

and if someone says for protection... well as fenix said most crimes are committed with hand guns.. so why do you need it.

you know fenix this is exactly what i am saying about swat. do not allow the enemy to obtain superior weapons easily. thbe swat guys are using 9mm mp5's what the hell is that going to do against m16/ ak nothing.. and the more weapons like this you bring onto the market the more cheaper they become in the underworld the more criminals are going to use them.

jeeze man school kids in america aree gunning down fellow class mates.... why give them superior guns.... why give anybody leagle or not that firepower. it just isnt needed.

CingularDuality

Nice touch? Man, the liberals would have you for lunch for making a statement like that if you were someone important.... I get your point, but FYI, I've shot trap with a guy in a wheelchair: a WWII veteran that lost his legs while serving our countries.

And of course it's biased. It's supposed to get across a point. If it doesn't bother you that there's a large group of people that are banning guns just because they look "evil" and then trying to pass it off as making the public safer, then I don't know what to say...

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Your SWAT guys are not going to be able to respond with confidence if they don't have rifles and shotguns. Heck, I'm not on a SWAT team, I'm a regular ol' agent, and I have access to an M4, MP5, 12guage and I have my HK USP .40 everywhere I go.

I sure am glad that you Brits aren't in charge over here. Look at how our nation was formed. We overthrew a tyrannical colonial leadership by having our EVERYDAY JOE CITIZENS take up military arms against a regular army. (Please let's not bring up the country that was heavy handed with the colonies, that's a seperate issue and not my intention.) Without military weapons in regular people's (not cops, not soldiers) homes, the United States of America would not exist. So, whether or not you can relate to this, you know why us Yanks have a love affair with guns. You know why we value our freedoms so much...

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I'm more afraid of the bombs that can be made by using easy to buy household chemicals. One guy with an AR is just one guy. A 30.06 hunting rifle could pick him off easily. The situation is no worse than 3 guys loaded with 12 gauge shotguns. You could spray into a crowd and kill just as many people with a Mossberg pump with 8 rounds chambered.

Banning does not make something impossible to get, it only makes it harder. The hard-core criminals who want assault rifles (for whatever stupid reason) are going to get them, and no one can stop them. but your average robber is going to use a pistol, and that makes up a majority of the actual gun crimes commited.

Anyone who hunts with an Assault rifle is an idiot. I'm not even going to argue for or against ARs because I have no use for one outside collectability.

You also have to realize: the assault rifles banned by this law are not all full-auto. My dad has an old Thompson Machine gun that shoots .45 ACP and is semi-auto. If he were to get a shoulder stock for it, he would then be breaking the law. Read up on some of the weapons that are banned under this law. The Media and politicians will try and make you believe that it's all about terrorists using full-auto ARs to kill hundreds of innocents, and that's what's being banned. There's a lot more covered under the law.

It's not WHY they're banning it that pisses me off, it's the means in which they appeal to ignorance and emotion.

Kids can't legally own firearms. They get them because people don't protect their weapons like they should. My guns are in a nice little gun safe. Someone could swipe my shotgun, but good luck trying to sneak it down the street.

Yes, kids have gotten guns and killed people. Kids have also OD and driven drunk and killed people. You think guns are dangerous? I recommend looking up some stats on people killed in car accidents each year.

Pistols are the main concern to me, and I'm all for more restrictions on "shady" people getting their hands on them. Me, being an honest hard-working citizen, will have no problems obtaining guns in the near future.

Benny_

I can see your point Cing, wrong reasons for a ban (there are much better reasons!)
I think you see what I meant by the wheelchair bit. I assume that the next quiz will have a black woman and a chinese eunuch? And if that offends you you don't understand.

jex

Isn't it a constitutional right to bear arms? If so what arms does that include?

I agree with you Ryn. Assault rifles are over the top but then you have to argue that with 'people's right to own'. If they are entitled to own one then there is little that can be done. I'd hope there is stringent screening for issuing licences for these weapons.

Next they'll be hunting rabbits with arty lol

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What about Canada? I'm not really up on the history but I have heard they have more guns per capita than the US but hardly any gun crime at all. Do they have AR's there?

I also don't think the issue has anything to do with us brits. Why should that be relevant at all to the argument of banning AR's? If it is a constitutional issue, as I think it is then I don't see how you can ban them. But I also thought it was unconstitutional for the government to hold so much power - pity you can't ban them eh lol

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CingularDuality

OK, let's start over. You guys went off on gun control in general and that's not what this thread is supposed to be about. I posted this thread because US Congressmen are currently debating S. 1805, which is a bill that would ban frivolous lawsuits. Some senators are attempting to attach a "rider" to S. 1805 which would renew the Brady Bill (that expires on Sept 13,2004).

Let's make something perfectly clear. The Brady Bill did not ban machine guns. It didn't ban military weapons. It didn't ban the guns that were most effecient at killing people. It did nothing but ban guns that LOOKED SCARY.

Click Here: and tell me the difference between those two AR-15s, please.

Do you think a bayonet lug and flash suppressor are the two features that criminals really want on their guns? NEWS FLASH: cosmetic features don't affect the lethality of rifles!

The Brady Bill was passed by people that were uneducated on the issue and were voting based solely on their emotions. All I want is sensible legislation. I want enforcement of existing laws before new ones are created. I want Project: Exile to go nationwide. Now, THAT would be effective in curbing gun crime!

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This is what I tell people that say things like this....

PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE...GUNS DONT! A criminal could easily use any other weapon to commit a crime. Anyway, I cant wait for this. I want to get one. I think that Colt wont sell to the public anymore. I think they sell only to the military now(I could be wrong).

MikoLovesYou

^^^^^ Cobra, point taken, but the bigger the gun, the more effective the criminal is at killing.




Maybe you've never posted in this forum before, so I'll give you a break this time. Make sure you read the rules, however, as PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE. And that was pretty harsh for someone who I've never even talked to before.


For your information, I don't want the TV news. I get my news from independant sources which aren't influenced by the BLEEDINGHEARTLIBERALJEWISHCONSPIRACYCONSERVATIVEDO MINATION media. And I really made the first post to spark our conversation, which it effectively did.


Let me ask you something, since you all seem to be dancing around the issue:

As a country, what do we have to gain by a removal of the automatic weapons ban?

Protection? Is a handgun just not enough? Are the big bad criminals going to rush your house all at once and try to rape your wife? I'd think a handgun would be sufficient for protecting you and your family.

I mean, you can't carry the thing around with you. You can't keep it readily available by your bedside, as someone else might get a hold of it and kill themselves. You can't keep it in the car. So what are we revoking this law for?

It seems to me that people want the Brady Bill uplifted so they can take their AR15 and go to the shooting range with it. Now let me ask you: is it really worth the risk of thousands of deaths so you take your rifle in your backyard and shoot cans?

I don't see any reason why this law should be removed, nor have any of you conservative-till-death types presented a legitimate reason why it should no longer exist. I'm sorry, but with weapons of this caliber, I don't think the "WELL I WANT ONE" arguement stands up very well. I'm all for the rights of the individual, but with issues like this, I really believe it is the government's place to intervene for the protection of the public.

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i dont think the united kingdom has anything to worry about with a swat team. we have the best trained swat team in the world. our swat team is the reason i never ever want to be a hostage taker,.,,

The S.A.S could kill any and all hostage tyakers if they had fricken tanks.... its our regular bobbies i am worried about. they have mp5's in thier cars now... not all of them.. but more and more of them... i dont want to see another police man down,

oh and more and more cops are being shot here. with mac 10's and recently a nightclub shooting involved a ump 45.

and they are hard to get hold of


oh and get over the civil war please its not needed. and do not tell me that i would not understand this. there is a part of me that wopuld love to hold a barret 50cal and squeze that trigger. there is a part of me that would love to hold an m249. but there is also a part of me called reality that tells me i dont need these things. and owning them could put me and my family in danger. because if someone breaks in i ave supplied them with a weapoin already. this happened to a mate of mine with a samurai sword. kept it next to his bed. woke up with it on his throat and some one saying where is your money at... some crack head.

yeah you have a millitary one of the biggest in the world. thereefore you do not need imediate aceess to guns of that calibre and force to hand. if you ever did your millitary im sure would be handing them out. until then.. get a grip and juast accept that an m16 is not a requirement for a hunting rifle.

DudeMan

i think it was said before too many guys somehow feel that they will suddenly be in a movie. you know one of those bruce willis ones. where your house wife and kids suddenly gets rushed by a neo facist organisation intent on brining the governemnt down, and its ony ytou and your m16 standing between the destruction of america and safety....

its not going to happen people. and deers dont warrant 30 shots 5.52 in the ass.. so why do it. still yet to find any viable reason. accept one valid maybe what 100 years ago and is now obselete.

DudeMan

precisesly my point man. it weeds out the guys that will buy t for pleasure and end up killing someone because they said something about their girlfriend... blah blah.,... and the people that owned it for the wrong reasons. it allows the police to sort those guys out fast. because if everyone can buy one. not everyone will have one leagle... never happens that way.. but even some of the illegle people will be hunters without a license...

and you only have a problem where these guns will still be available if you allow them to be used. the united kingdoim is m16 free and if there are 2 in the country owned by criminals i will be very suprised. because we dont allow people to by it to begin with and dont allow people to use it period.

as i said before mainly here you can only get replica conversions and cheap nasty hand guns... i like those odds against our police and sas... although i have noticed since the channel tunnel opened more and more belgium made sub machine guns in use.

DudeMan

wow three in a row may aswell make it 4....