jex

But at the same time MD's is a business and they sell junk food. It is up to them to try and sell as much as possible. The average IQ in the states is probably somewhere between 70-90. By the posts I read here I conclude that people here have a higher IQ than average. Now this is where I think people fall over when they look at things. We tend to believe that everyone see's the world in the way we do. What is obvious to us must be obvious to others right?

Well in the case of marketing and advertising they are targeting a selective part of the market. Advertising does work and it is a form of brainwashing. By constantly repeating the advert, it drills its way into the subconcious where it sits. People of lower IQ's tend to have a lower resistance to manipulation (which is all advertising really is) and tend to be under-educated. Combine the two and you have a populace that goes to MD's because it's easy, cheap and tastes ok. These are the people who the government are looking out for, not educated people who know how to eat and exercise etc.

This is really a brief explanation. The whole subject is far more complex than I go into here but hopefully you see my point.

Edit: Oh and then there is the cost to the tax payer - I think bad eating cost the tax payer £6billion a year over here (in health care) and we're 1/4 of the population of the states so the figures there will be a lot higher.

Thanks,

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jex

What does IIRC mean - I've been trying to work that one out for ages lol

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TheFeniX

Do some research before commenting:
1. I weighted 258 lbs and had high colesterol. I went on Atkins for two months, lost 40 pounds, and my doctor said I was in excellent shape in my follow-up visit. 6 months later I still weight around 220 and plan to go back on Atkins to bring that down again.
2. The "Fad" diets do work. The people who are on them make them into a fad because they don't have the will-power to stick with it.
3. Atkins has been around for 30+ years. Hell of a long time for a fad/craze.
4. Your friends got cramps because they didn't read up before going on a diet like this. That's dangerous and stupid. You need to take vitamins (all the time actually) when you are on a diet like Atkins.

DudeMan

yeah have some tact before posting.

mate i dont really care how much wieght you have lost or celebreties have lost.

goood luck to you and goods luck to them too. glad you are shedding pounds. but when the leading scientists in my country and the us are saying that people are dropping down dead in some isntances and that the diet is actually damaging in some cases i dont want to even give it the time of day.

just like 1000's of diets before it, its a money maker. skimp on information and sell to the masses.

TheFeniX

Emphasis mine.

There are cases of some people in excellent health, who don't smoke, and excercise everyday, dropping dead of a heart-attack out of nowhere at the age of 30. There are some cases of people being killed by flying champane corks. These are not in the majority, hence neither exercising or sharing a glass of champane on new years are not untimately un-healthy things (granted drinking isn't good for you, but the point is still valid).

A few bad cases out of millions does not mean something is completely unsafe.

Considering the ignorance some people have concerning such subjects, it's no wonder they don't follow the rules set in the diet and cause harm to themselves. That said: Dr. Atkins had always stressed that one should be careful when on the diet. I would also like to see these medical reports on how dangerous Atkins is according to the "leading scientists."

Jex: IIRC means - If I Recall Correctly.

DudeMan

im not going to get into a debate over the atkins diet its a waste of my time.

TheFeniX

Concession accepted.

_Ender_

Well that and he doesnt have any proof to back his claim of it not working.

DudeMan

well actually it wasnt a concession... but go ahead you can think you have won i dont give a toss....

TheFeniX

1. Then why are you arguing the point?
2. If I leave a game in progress claiming "it's not worth my time," then I automatically loose. Same for any arguement. You can try and claim the moral high-road all you want, but leaving the arguement is in fact an admission of defeat.

DudeMan

well i disagree. the argument is off topic and is not going to have an answer we both agree on. so i will not spend time posting in the forumns to debate..

i guess you consider a debate an argument. but well thats your choice i choose my words carefully...

i will not spend time ARGUING about the atkins diet. scientists in my country... the ones i trust inform us of some very serious concerns. i will not go to the product... diet.

thats my opinion i will not argue... because this subject is not open for a real debate...

CingularDuality

Which scientists? I've been thinking about trying this diet and have been looking around a little. The only information I could find against the diet (that didn't come from some nutcase with a cheesy website), merely says that the diet could be dangerous to certain people in certain situations...

Could you post a link to the report you're referring to?

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TheFeniX

That's funny, because it's the perfect word to use. Lawyers make closing arguments. My argument in this debate is uncontested by you except by an appeal to an invisible authority.

I love webster. Look at 2 and 3b.

PS: Stop taking my words out of context.

You can dodge it all you want, but the more you post to get the last word: the more I can tell how much you'd rather me just give up instead. If you didn't want to argue against akins (and by proxy, that even the fattiest food can be healthy if eaten right), then you never should have started in on it in the first place.

It's no different than starting a fight with someone, throwing the first punch, then claiming it's not worth fighting over, and expecting them to just go with it.

DudeMan

i will try to find the report i was refering too it was a BBC report, from the department of health in the UK or something like that.. bout 3 months ago... ill have a look and ill see if i can get back to you.

DudeMan

i really dont give a monkeys what webster says really. i am not posting again on the subject accept in response to your insessant squabbling over why or why not i refuse to post. it is not a debate it is an infantile argument. back and foruth the same stuff goes over and over.. no thanks. next please.