No more supersized fries! - Page 4

**TheFeniX** · 03-06-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

i really dont give a monkeys what webster says really. i am not posting again on the subject accept in response to your insessant squabbling over why or why not i refuse to post. it is not a debate it is an infantile argument. back and foruth the same stuff goes over and over.. no thanks. next please.

Either post the evidence and quit saying how little this "debate" means to you or drop it. The only thing you're doing right now is polishing up on your Ad Hominems.

**DudeMan** · 03-07-2004, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

Either post the evidence and quit saying how little this "debate" means to you or drop it. The only thing you're doing right now is polishing up on your Ad Hominems.

oh my god you think you can tell me what to do pal... get over yourself....

and ffs i have been trying to tell you this argument is dead. and over it is you who wants to get a last dig ......

**USN_Squid** · 03-07-2004, 03:50 AM

...ahem, changing subject....

I lost 18 lbs. and my wife lost 15 in the first three weeks of the South Beach Diet. It's really very common sense. You eat everything, no protein binging or anything like that. Very reasonable if you're looking I highly recommend it.

Definitely no supersized fries however.

**DudeMan** · 03-07-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by USN_Squid

...ahem, changing subject....

I lost 18 lbs. and my wife lost 15 in the first three weeks of the South Beach Diet. It's really very common sense. You eat everything, no protein binging or anything like that. Very reasonable if you're looking I highly recommend it.

Definitely no supersized fries however.

i went on that wieght watchers diet. where you can eat any food. but considering its calorie content it has a point.

so chocolate bar 5 points... and you get a set amount of points in a day taking into consideration of your wieght.

it may sound a bit complicate but it isnt. and i lost nearly a stone and a half in 2 months... but you are supposed to exercise with this diet as you should with any... quite a good one... illl check out the south beach thing though.

**DudeMan** · 03-07-2004, 11:00 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3477277.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3522903.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3330753.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3186956.stm

there are a few reasons cingular. in the end it is up to you. and most people may be ok on the atkins diet. but its a risk i would rather never take until i get the all clear from my own personal GP also who told me the same thing.... "its up to you. but i wouldnt trust the diet till more science was conducted.."

Cobra · 03-07-2004, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Then should those who are intelligent suffer because of stupid people?

When I go to McDonald's, I always supersize my meal. Why? Because I am a big eater. I also eat a lot of red meat.

Guess what? I am 6' tall weighing in around 150 lbs with a colestoral level of 140 and blood pressure around 120/60. Other than being a bit underweight, I am in great health.

Fatty foods are not dangerous. People that don't watch their food intake are causing problems. Your body needs a certain amout of fat and if it doesn't get it, it will store fat (which is why no fat diets normally don't work). Fatty foods in moderation are no threat to a person's health. Excessive fatty foods is dangerouse, just like excessive alcohol, excessive smoking, excessive salt, excessive.....

6' 150 isnt overwieght!

**CingularDuality** · 03-07-2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3477277.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3522903.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3330753.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3186956.stm

there are a few reasons cingular. in the end it is up to you. and most people may be ok on the atkins diet. but its a risk i would rather never take until i get the all clear from my own personal GP also who told me the same thing.... "its up to you. but i wouldnt trust the diet till more science was conducted.."

Hmmm, those articles are definitely enough reason to encourage someone to do some research before starting the diet. None of them provide any evidence that the diet is in any way dangerous, just a bunch of people's opinions. I think you're right to be wary of the diet if you're not willing to learn more about it, though. I do see people here that are just eliminating carbohydrates from their diet and I don't think it's healthy. Let's no confuse this "carb elimination" with actually being the Atkins diet, however...

It's funny how the American Medical Association once published their opinion that the diet was potentially dangerous, but has since lightened up after some clinical research...

In the end, I think that even a diet that is a little bit unhealthy is better than being fat (which is a LOT unhealthy).

**DudeMan** · 03-07-2004, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Hmmm, those articles are definitely enough reason to encourage someone to do some research before starting the diet. None of them provide any evidence that the diet is in any way dangerous, just a bunch of people's opinions. I think you're right to be wary of the diet if you're not willing to learn more about it, though. I do see people here that are just eliminating carbohydrates from their diet and I don't think it's healthy. Let's no confuse this "carb elimination" with actually being the Atkins diet, however...

It's funny how the American Medical Association once published their opinion that the diet was potentially dangerous, but has since lightened up after some clinical research...

In the end, I think that even a diet that is a little bit unhealthy is better than being fat (which is a LOT unhealthy).

well i would have to disagree on the first article... that guy made the diet died fat.

any how i do agree it seems that those articles have been cropped i dont know why... there are only snippits of what the medical association said.... wired... they were longer... maybe they were cropped when they went into the archive... although i doubt that.

to your latter poiint.... i agree being fat is very unhealthy but there are other diets that work and give you a balanced regime... look at wieght watchers.. its eat everything... in moderation baisically... it works very fast aswell if you stick to it.

i dunno i just dont trust a diet if it gets the amoun of bad press this has... these were four about 36 reports...... i found....

**Wolfie** · 03-07-2004, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra

6' 150 isnt overwieght!

Note I said underweight, not overweight

**TheFeniX** · 03-07-2004, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

well i would have to disagree on the first article... that guy made the diet died fat.

Ad Hominem Tu Quoque fallacy.

Just because in his final days he didn't follow his own diet does not mean it doesn't work.
These other articles hit on most doctors cautioning their patients to be careful and take mineral suppliments. With the right information available, I've been able to find nothing dangerous about this diet.

Ignorance on the issue of dieting is the fault of the dieter, not the diet.

**luna** · 03-07-2004, 09:40 PM

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4327741/

The whole idea of him being obese at his death is countered here by his wife. The guy was admitted into the hospital at 195 lbs. 9 days later, he died at 258. Apparently they pumped the guy full of fluids, and he was incredibly bloated from it all.

*shrug*

**DudeMan** · 03-07-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by =luna=

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4327741/

The whole idea of him being obese at his death is countered here by his wife. The guy was admitted into the hospital at 195 lbs. 9 days later, he died at 258. Apparently they pumped the guy full of fluids, and he was incredibly bloated from it all.

*shrug*

not in the clip i saw luna... it said his wife slammed the diet.

two conflicting thoughts there... oh by the way he was about 6foot 195 is overwight anyway.

RYN · 03-07-2004, 10:01 PM

Well,

On Saturday I ate....

Double Big Mac combo (Supersized) Coke for the drink
Two Cheeseburgers With Bacon
And a six pack of Mcnuggets.

Why?
Because I felt like it.

Did I enjoy it?
Yeah.

Guilty?
Not on your life.

Am I fat?
Not a chance.

5' 11" 180 Lbs

Do I give a ****e about some kid whose parents force fed him with a slingshot of burgers from the time he/she was five years old?

No.

**DudeMan** · 03-07-2004, 10:03 PM

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problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.

Dr. Neal Bernard: “The Atkins Web site says that his good health and his clean coronary arteries were apparently due to his diet. An extraordinary claim. And apparently one that was not at all true.”

Dr. Neal Barnard is head of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, the vegetarian activist group which distributed the confidential coroner's document.

Dr. Bernard: “This is not a joke. This is serious business. This is a major public health problem.”

hmmm just a little more about that heart condition that crops up as a result of high colesterol intake.

**TheFeniX** · 03-07-2004, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

two conflicting thoughts there... oh by the way he was about 6foot 195 is overwight anyway.

By maybe 6 pounds. And once again, what exactly is not fallacious about this line of reasoning?

03-07-2004, 03:50 AM	#48 (permalink)
USN_Squid Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denver Age: 38 Posts: 3,168	Re: No more supersized fries! ...ahem, changing subject.... I lost 18 lbs. and my wife lost 15 in the first three weeks of the South Beach Diet. It's really very common sense. You eat everything, no protein binging or anything like that. Very reasonable if you're looking I highly recommend it. Definitely no supersized fries however. __________________ New to TG? Start here! Last edited by USN_Squid; 03-07-2004 at 03:53 AM.

03-07-2004, 11:00 AM	#50 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: No more supersized fries! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3477277.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3522903.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3330753.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3186956.stm there are a few reasons cingular. in the end it is up to you. and most people may be ok on the atkins diet. but its a risk i would rather never take until i get the all clear from my own personal GP also who told me the same thing.... "its up to you. but i wouldnt trust the diet till more science was conducted.."

03-07-2004, 09:40 PM	#56 (permalink)
luna Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rhode Island Age: 30 Posts: 4,136	Re: No more supersized fries! http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4327741/ The whole idea of him being obese at his death is countered here by his wife. The guy was admitted into the hospital at 195 lbs. 9 days later, he died at 258. Apparently they pumped the guy full of fluids, and he was incredibly bloated from it all. shrug __________________ Resurgent's New Motivational Motto: "Now train harder! Live inside your character! If it dies, YOU DIE! Focus!" Jesus had a soulstone.

03-07-2004, 10:01 PM	#58 (permalink)
RYN Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Originally from NF now in NB Age: 37 Posts: 267	Re: No more supersized fries! Well, On Saturday I ate.... Double Big Mac combo (Supersized) Coke for the drink Two Cheeseburgers With Bacon And a six pack of Mcnuggets. Why? Because I felt like it. Did I enjoy it? Yeah. Guilty? Not on your life. Am I fat? Not a chance. 5' 11" 180 Lbs Do I give a ****e about some kid whose parents force fed him with a slingshot of burgers from the time he/she was five years old? No. __________________ "On My Commad, Unleash Hell" "And Let Slip The Dogs Of War"

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