No more supersized fries! - Page 5

**DudeMan** · 03-08-2004, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

By maybe 6 pounds. And once again, what exactly is not fallacious about this line of reasoning?

yes and the lack of response to the first... i commented on anothers post as to what i have read...

**TheFeniX** · 03-08-2004, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

yes and the lack of response to the first... i commented on anothers post as to what i have read...

Wait, what? Are you saying it is fallacious, or that your getting on me for not answering your post about the articles? Cingular posted what I was going to say. I don't "me too" in my posts. They gave no concrete evidence that Atkins is unhealthy, and considering the diet lowered my LDC, I don't agree with the doctors that say eating on the diet causes them to increase. For the most part, they urged caution.

Caution != the diet is harmful to you. Some doctors just don't like it because it goes against the most common thinking behind dieting. If they can find actual proof that dieting on Atkins (in the short-term) has adverse effects on people, I'll concede the point. Even I wouldn't recommend staying on Atkins for over 6 months at a time (I only do 2 month stints).

Granted, I wasn't exactly sucking down pork fat everyday as I tended to stick with lunch meat, cheese, and eggs. Not that I didn't enjoy a steak more often, but I don't like big chunks of fat anyways.

One big problem that isn't addressed that often is the over-gorging while on the Atkins, transfering to when you get off the diet. Atkins makes you eat more than usual. This isn't that bad when your cutting carbs, but can make you gain all that weight back (and then some) if you continue to eat like that when you stop counting the carbs. I would bet this would be the main reason that you LDCs would once again go up.

Benny_ · 03-08-2004, 07:12 PM

I don't have an opinion either way so feel free to sway me;

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Myth: Initial rapid weight loss
Fact: During the 14-day weight loss 'induction phase', the diet is so low in calories that the body goes into starvation mode and most of the rapid weight loss is due to loss of water and not fat.

As the body metabolises fat, instead of glycogen, the body's metabolic rate can decrease by 20 per cent, after six weeks. So, your body becomes less efficient at burning off fat than before.

Myth: The diet is nutritionally balanced
Fact: Throughout all phases, the diet is deficient in fibre, vitamin E, iron, magnesium and folate, and excessive in total fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, vitamin A, phosphorous and potassium. A deficiency in these nutrients can lead to low levels of energy.

Myth: Atkins is a 'diet for life'
Fact: The diet contains only 25 per cent of the recommended daily intake of fibre. The diet also contains a whopping 55-65 per cent fat, compared to a 35 per cent fat intake currently recommended by the government. High-fat and low-fibre intakes have been identified as risk factors for cancers of the colon, breast and stomach.

Myth: The Atkins is a low-glyceamic index (GI) diet
Fact: High-protein foods, not just carbohydrate foods, can increase insulin levels. Protein-rich foods and meals can produce more insulin than a serving of pasta. The GI of foods can also be effected by the amount and timing of the meal and degree of chewing. If the Atkins diet works, then it cannot be due to the diet producing small amounts of insulin.

Myth: Atkins is a safe way to lose weight
Fact: Short-term side effects include bad breath and dehydration (due to rapid ketosis), constipation (lack of fibre and too much meat based protein), and extreme mental and physical lethargy. Long-term side effects can be more serious, and research has associated the diet with kidney damage, osteoporosis, heart disease and cancer.

Myth: The Atkins diet is supported by research
Fact: Dr Atkins' theories of metabolic advantages from 1957-1975 are now considered dated and his studies are poorly designed. He only used a small number of subjects and there is no evidence of a control group for comparison. One study he cites was published in 1965 and used seven subjects for a period of 19 days and had no control group.

Myth: The Atkins diet is supported by the medical community
Fact: Many reputable and independent organisations, including the British Nutrition Foundation, the British Dietetic Association, the Royal College of Nursing and the British Kidney Patient Association, have expressed strong reservations about the diet and continue to do so.

Source - MR Freedman, J King and E Kennedy, Popular Diets: A Scientific Review (Obesity Research; 9, 1S-40S),

On the plus side

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A low carbohydrate diet (low carb) is an effective means to rid the body of its stored fat tissue but the Atkins Carb Diet is not for everyone. The body and brain get their energy from carbohydrates. Therefore drastically reducing your carbohydrate intake will leave you feeling weak, irritated, sleepless and hungry. The majority of dieters cannot handle the effects of a low carbohydrate diet. But if you can handle the side effects then the Atkins Carb Diet will prove effective in helping you to loose weight and achieve your ultimate weightloss goals.

The Atkins Diet is based on a high protein, low carb philosophy which allows many people to enjoy foods they love while losing weight. The cornerstone of the Atkins philosophy is a four-phase eating plan in conjunction with vitamin and mineral supplementation and regular exercise. The four-phase individualized eating plan allows you to knowledgeably select which foods to eat based on your need to achieve weight loss and weight maintenance, enjoy good health and prevent disease. Low carb food selections will differ to varying degrees depending upon the phase you are in and your individual metabolism.

Now I had an ex who swore by it, and it did work (the fat b*tch - another story), but it did leave her irritable. At the moment my take is, if it works for you then good stuff, if it doesn't eat normally and exercise like the rest of us mortals.

**CingularDuality** · 03-08-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Benny_

At the moment my take is, if it works for you then good stuff, if it doesn't eat normally and exercise like the rest of us mortals.

This is my opinion as well. The human body is still not completely understood. Researchers still don't even know why metabolisms are so different among different people. With all of this ignorance, it's important to take note of treatments (diets) that are effective for large numbers of people. Who cares if someone gets rich off the idea? It's also important to note that what works for some won't work for everyone.

As always, however, it's fairly accepted that a diet that is moderate in all things combined with moderate exercise will maintain or improve a person's health/fitness.

**luna** · 03-08-2004, 09:44 PM

According to the article I posted, the guy's heart condition was in no way related to his diet. He had heart issues due to a virus.

Keep in mind, I couldn't care less either way.

**TheFeniX** · 03-09-2004, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Benny_

I don't have an opinion either way so feel free to sway me;

What's the source for these quotes?

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Myth: Initial rapid weight loss
Fact: During the 14-day weight loss 'induction phase', the diet is so low in calories that the body goes into starvation mode and most of the rapid weight loss is due to loss of water and not fat.

"Low in calories?" Was the guy who wrote this mistaken or brain-dead? I was taking in the same amount of calories on Atkins as I was when I wasn't on it (you're supposed to take in more calories).

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Long-term side effects can be more serious, and research has associated the diet with kidney damage, osteoporosis, heart disease and cancer.

Cell-phones have been "associated" with brain tumors. By manipulating words you can make something sound bad, while not proving anything. I'd really like to see this source.

**DudeMan** · 03-09-2004, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

This is my opinion as well. The human body is still not completely understood. Researchers still don't even know why metabolisms are so different among different people. With all of this ignorance, it's important to take note of treatments (diets) that are effective for large numbers of people. Who cares if someone gets rich off the idea? It's also important to note that what works for some won't work for everyone.

As always, however, it's fairly accepted that a diet that is moderate in all things combined with moderate exercise will maintain or improve a person's health/fitness.

actually where i see where you are commming from given the hiensight would you go to england in the 1970's and 80' and eat 5 juicy t bone steaks.

BSE CJD

science knew something was wrong and couldnt put their finger on it. the same is happening here. until it is given the all clear by all the medical associations which currently the UK has warned people that the diet is linked to heart disease and may kill you if you have any respiratory diseases. problem with those are they are not detected till you have had a heart scare.

and high collesterol is the way to go about that.

Benny_ · 03-09-2004, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

What's the source for these quotes?

"Low in calories?" Was the guy who wrote this mistaken or brain-dead? I was taking in the same amount of calories on Atkins as I was when I wasn't on it (you're supposed to take in more calories).

Cell-phones have been "associated" with brain tumors. By manipulating words you can make something sound bad, while not proving anything. I'd really like to see this source.

Fenix, I did source at the bottom: MR Freedman, J King and E Kennedy, Popular Diets: A Scientific Review (Obesity Research; 9, 1S-40S)

It came at the end of a few searches, if I find the direct link I'll post it.

**TheFeniX** · 03-09-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Benny_

Fenix, I did source at the bottom: MR Freedman, J King and E Kennedy, Popular Diets: A Scientific Review (Obesity Research; 9, 1S-40S)

It came at the end of a few searches, if I find the direct link I'll post it.

Oh, duh. Man, I'm blind. Sorry about that. Found the link. I'll dig on this later.

**Wolfie** · 03-11-2004, 01:26 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ightloss_x.htm

I thought this was interesting.

Deductions for those that lose weight to become healthy....

What about those that are healthy? Why don't we get something for our good behaviour?

**DudeMan** · 03-11-2004, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ightloss_x.htm

I thought this was interesting.

Deductions for those that lose weight to become healthy....

What about those that are healthy? Why don't we get something for our good behaviour?

not saying i agree with the scheme but are you suggesting that fat people have behaved badly... because that is not true at all. it is a cultural thing why there has been an increase in the amount of obese people. to put it down to bad behavior would be short sighted.

Benny_ · 03-11-2004, 08:19 PM

fat people eat too much.

If I steal to much will I get reward to steal less?

Flame on, because I'm joking....kind of.

**DudeMan** · 03-11-2004, 10:37 PM

oh dear more steriotyping.

**CingularDuality** · 03-11-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

oh dear more steriotyping.

Where?

03-08-2004, 09:44 PM	#65 (permalink)
luna Join Date: May 2003 Location: Rhode Island Age: 30 Posts: 4,136	Re: No more supersized fries! According to the article I posted, the guy's heart condition was in no way related to his diet. He had heart issues due to a virus. Keep in mind, I couldn't care less either way. __________________ Resurgent's New Motivational Motto: "Now train harder! Live inside your character! If it dies, YOU DIE! Focus!" Jesus had a soulstone.

03-11-2004, 01:26 PM	#70 (permalink)
Wolfie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 1,405	Re: No more supersized fries! http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ightloss_x.htm I thought this was interesting. Deductions for those that lose weight to become healthy.... What about those that are healthy? Why don't we get something for our good behaviour?

03-11-2004, 08:19 PM	#72 (permalink)
Benny_ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 369	Re: No more supersized fries! fat people eat too much. If I steal to much will I get reward to steal less? Flame on, because I'm joking....kind of.

03-11-2004, 10:37 PM	#73 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: No more supersized fries! oh dear more steriotyping.

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