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Brontosaurus NEVER existed. But it was taught as science to school children for how many years? You have obviously heard of it. I remember it from the dinosaur books and museums when I was a kid. But how wide was the retraction when it was revealed that brontosuars was an apatosaurus with a different head on it? http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/brontosaurus.html

What other errors are we teaching as science in our schools.

Lets teach the best science we can and leave the things science can't address out of the science class room.

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BTW, Occam's Razor clearly cuts to the side of special creation. Special creation requires one uprovable assumption. Evolution as origin requires many. Which is the simpler solution?

For those of you who want me to list the improbable assumptions wrapped up in evolution, may I suggest Calcutating God by Robert Sawyer. A good read regardless of which side of the debate you are on. I did a radio interview with him a few years ago. He's an evolutionist and makes some very interesting points. He ranges from physics to biology. It's on sale at Amazon. Fun read, fun concepts.

Pokerface

Clearly? I think not.

The razor isn't about getting to unprovable assumptions; it's about getting to the simplest part. The concept of God may be simple, but an omnipotent omniscient being is anything but.

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I'm not a biologist, but I'd say yes. If not necessary they'd be helpful at least.

Nobody. The science teacher is imposing his science system on you, though.

TheFeniX

Evidence was found that it did. Even if that evidence turned out to be wrong. Hence, the evidence was found, theories were based off of it. The fact that it was one dishonest scientist trying to make his name does not reflect poorly on science itself, but the man himself.

Evolution has a lot more evidence to it than one fossil found in the dirt, so the comparison is moot.

There is no evidence that God exists. ID isn't "bad science." It's not science at all.

The real arguement is whether God belongs in science class. He doesn't as you can never solve the equation as long as his is.

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marstein

Only in math can you proove things without doubt. Your eyes deceive you, what other people tell and retell is usually skewed or wrong. So you have to turn to theory: you make up a theory and then have fun proving it wrong. That's the way science works. ID can't be proven wrong. The same with the noodly appendage thingy and various religious believes. Religion is supposed to make you a better person, not explain the world.

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CingularDuality

Yes, and Occam's Razor is about two theories based on evidence, not assumptions. From Wikipedia, a common way of stating Occam's Razor is: "Given two equally predictive theories, choose the simpler." The predictive power of a scientific theory is its ability to generate testable predictions.

And the Brontosaurus did indeed exist. It turned out to be the adult version of the Apatosaurus, and they had the wrong head on them, but it was a real creature. Once the scientific community (as opposed to one competitive man) realized this, they corrected the information.

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ShadoWCaT

Hm, I live in the dirty southern areas of my state, and the teachers in my school have always taught the Bible version of creationism (this is a public school, mind you.) No one dares ask why they skim over evolution... but it makes me sick; I'm glad this is my senior year and I don't need to take a science class

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Call the ACLU. You could become famous overnight. I suppose you'd need some written lesson plans, though.

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I recently watched a 3 hour video of Dr. Kent Hovind presenting his "creation science" "theory" to some CC students. I've never heard anything crazier. Did you know, for example, that above all of the currently known layers of our atmosphere that there used to exist an Aquasphere? As it's name would imply, this was a layer of water that protected the Earth from the harmful UV rays from the sun. While this layer was intact, humans, protected from these harmful rays, were able to live 900 years. Because we were bad humans, our vengeful(my word, not his) god decided to use the water in this layer to rain down on the world for 40 days and 40 nights; killing off all but one family who was then forced into incest to repopulate the world. In doing this, god violated our 5th Amendment protection against Double Jeopardy by simultaneously killing us AND shorting the lifespan's of future humans. I believe the ACLU is currently seeking some class-action injunctive relief based on these facts. OK, I added the part about incest and the ACLU, but in reality, I think it's the most believable part of this childs tale.

USN_Squid

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I love you more and more every time you make a post.

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