CingularDuality

The FSM doesn't have nuts, the FSM has balls.

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leejo

Being difficult to believe doesn't make a fact less true, nor does being easy to believe make something so.

If you really want to get weird, try to prove that the scientific method is logically sound. Hint: it isn't. Many have tried to prove inductive logic and all have failed.

You're stuck with faith no matter how clever you think you are. Sorry.

CingularDuality

And that's why I'm an agnostic atheist. An agnostic thinks that it's impossible to prove (or disprove) the existence of a god. An atheist doesn't believe in a god. That's me. I know that it's impossible to prove either way, but my personal belief is that "god" is something made up by man to explain things that are otherwise unexplainable to them...

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AzzMan

Time for me to come in here and KILL PEOPLE with my opinion that I probably have stated somewhere else on the forums, some other time. This time perfectly calls for it, however.

I should warn now, I may have just missed some stupid joke and am going on a rant for a quote, or something. If not then here we go!

It is my honest opinion that anyone who believes God does not exist, cannot prove it. You can pull any theory you want to do so, but as much as science may be able to do, there is simply no way everything just suddenly happened.

That doesn't mean I'm a church-going Christian, or any Islamic religion, or any other organized religion of the sort. In fact I detest them all.

My PERSONAL beliefs are that all of the aformentioned organized religions all simply beat around the bush of the same facts. God created life, God created the world. Each one has their own way of conveying that, mere words saying how God did it, or what he meant by it when he did.

I believe that all of those interpretations are incorrect, mostly for different reasons, yet none of them look at it so simply. God created the world.

He just did. He doesn't want us to kill for him about it and be the last dominant race, nor does he want us to find Noah's Ark, or what have you.

I can't think of any way to state my beliefs in a simpler form, and I know there's a technical term for those beliefs, and I don't know what it is. All I know is that my opinion is hard to change in this matter...

AzzMan

That's all me. Though what would be the term for someone of that sort that believes God DOES exist, as opposed to disbelieving?

rs_al

Yeah. You must be thinking of the Flying Pad Thai Monster. That has nuts. And is also delicious.


Also, all I have to say on the topic can best be summed up by this:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512

Trooper

thats just a cop out....how can you sit there and say things dont exist...they exist for a reason. just becuase we arent smart enough or far enough in our history to understand things doesnt make them no exisitant....Christianity has 55000 books and articles to prove it... both religous and secular. The name Jesus is the most writen about person in history. Roman guards attested to what when on, on calvary.

do some research and find an answer

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leejo

The fact that Jesus existed is fact. That he was God Incarnate is what Cing doubts and disbelieves, as with all the other claimed versions of God, both incarnate and noodly.

It's a perfectly reasonable position to take. Not my position, but I can't see how it's foolish or wrong to say "I don't personally believe in God and I doubt there's a way to prove it one way or the other."

It might disappoint God somewhat but I suspect that He can handle it. If you believe in Him then by all means lead by example, right? The trick isn't to beat up someone who doesn't believe, but to demonstrate daily how much better life can be, be a vehicle for God's will, and let Him worry about Cing's lost soul.

CingularDuality

You would be a "theist".

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Trooper

my apologies Cing if i offended you...Leejo you are right...i get kind of fired up with this subject.

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CingularDuality

Hehe... Indeed, I very much believe that there was a very influential (Third most influential?) man named Jesus that once walked this earth.

And, I'm sure that god will either show himself to me, or, since he's omniscient, completely understand my lack of belief and will forgive me. 'Cause he's a merciful god, isn't he?

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CingularDuality

I don't think there's anything you can say to me to offend me. What offends me is when Baptists came door to door preaching and when I told 'em "No thanks, I don't believe in religion", they keyed my van and truck and ran off when I came out the door after them.

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Trooper

yah im the same way when Jehovah Witnesses come to the door....

good

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Hockeydude

Just because you can't prove something doesn't exist, that doesn't mean it does exist by default. Science uses examples from the physical world for proof. For example we have fossil records, and we know that our bodies are controlled by DNA.

Anyone can say they saw a message from God, and write a book about it.

Trooper

sceince does use examples from the real world but when the examples them selves are false it throws everything off. fossil dateing...uses carbon dating alot of the time...but one thing they forgot to think about....many scientist has attested to that.

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