Wulfyn

I was right with him up until the maths bit.

You show me how mathematics and mathematics alone can define the differences between electromagnetism and gravity and I will concede the point.

(If you want to show off you can throw strong and weak in there as well).

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Here I reveal to the world that gravity does not exist in the form that is commonly prescribed to it; as a force. However, your minds are too feeble to hear what it is I would say. Chaos would reign. Society would crumble. Religions of the world would dissolve in It's presence. Science and reason would cease to be practical. Ancient Babylonians, Pythagoras, Plato, Newton, Einstein and his children would be proven wrong.

They who have murdered truth.

I have been granted vision by Him. His Noodely Appendage has stricken me. He has placed knowledge at the threshold and I have opened The Inner Door of Symmetry to gaze upon It. To swim in It. To be completed by It. I sacrificed sanity to know Him and His Purpose. He has sacrificed purity, sanctity, and some quantity of carbohydrates to reveal Himself and His Grand Vision to me.

He has commanded me to reveal to you His Divine Noodleology. It is the Penultimate Commandment second only to His Own Creation. It will take some time to transcribe into an understandable context--It is very tempting to eat.

It has been foretold.




Oh, and I was told to post this.

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leejo

There's a school of thought that says the transmitters are all the same thing just in different energy states, which mathematics could certainly define. Ain't nothin' to show that a gluon is basically the same as a Z boson, brutha. Sheeot. Better step back with your neurophysio doo dad dangle. I can BRING the physics baby.

Actually I used to. It's been 10 years since I looked at any of this stuff. Got my degree and promptly stopped using anything I'd learned. Cause I found Jesus praise Him. No that's not it....I, uh...got a job. Yes that's it.

CingularDuality

The "Such a shame..." part? Sarcasm.

Surprised I had to point that out to you!

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Wulfyn

So tell me the difference between an x-ray and a blue light ray without using a unit of energy or frequency (both of which are scientific properties).

635 what you say?


On a side note the Ancient Greeks had no concept of negative numbers. 3-8 had no solution, for example, much like until relatively recently there was no solution for the square root of a negative number. Shows that even mathematical theories have been thrown out. (ok, now I am way off topic - sorry!)

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Wulfyn

... or a unit of distance..

(whew glad i got that one in!)

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TheFeniX

This kind of arguement I have a big issue with. We can calculate trajectories of movement based on gravity, plot courses from a ball spinning 30,000 mph to another ball of rock that's orbiting the larger ball, but since scientists can explain why the laws of physics were defined how they are: none of it matters?

Science can't always offer the why, and so we turn to God for it? Well, I didn't know the secrets of the universe when I was a Christian and I still don't know them now that I'm a Deist. At least scientists are talking, all I'm getting from God is "If you ever turn Queer, I'm going to smite you."

Hard to tell sometimes.

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leejo

No. It matters. But it's limited, it always will be, and that's a provable fact. Goedel and Heisenberg did a double team on it and no-one who understands their proofs doubts their truth. It truly would take an act of God to change the rules of the game such that Uncertainty Principle and Incompleteness Theorem slid off.

That's all you get from God because you remain angry with him and will accept nothing else. The only person you hurt with that anger is yourself. I hope you find some peace with that someday. I don't care if you go to church or love Jesus: whatever works for you. But being so angry at God is sad.

Science can't always offer the why or even the how. Good scientists keep digging. We will learn a lot more about how the universe works before it's all over. But science won't give us everything. It's a tool, not an ethos (3rd time that word's been used in the forums this week. Snifter clink, mates).

TheFeniX

Once again, you somehow equate my humourous discourse about the Judeo-Christian God as some form of "anger" with theology as a whole. Creationism is based on the concept that God has all the answers and he'll give them to us when "we're ready." Since the entire creationism manifesto is being pushed by Christian fundamentalists, and it offers absolutely no answers, just delusions: I'm more filled with insane laughter than actual anger.

The rolling theme here seems to be "Evolution is wrong, Creationism (God) has the answers." My point is that whereas evolution (science) doesn't have all the answers, Theology has no answers, only beliefs and irrationality (and as I've said in the past, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with either).

I just don't see the point in trying to use either to prove a scientific theory.

Now, if I was Christian, I'd be more angry at myself than God. Because worshipping Him would be like worshipping a pre-teen demi-god who is prone to fits of uncontrollable anger. I mean, it's pretty bad when Moses has to convince God not to slaughter a bunch of people. Anyways, this is getting on a tangent.

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Trooper

i love it when people use the bible out of context.

the isrealites in the old testament where give rules to follow and if they dint follow them punishment would be given. GOD stated many times in many books what they needed to do to have everything, i mean everything. They dint listen and there for GOD was going to punish them.

to think that god is arrigant and a pre-teen demi god you must have a misconception of what GOD really is. He is not some one who wants to kill and smight you...read the new testament and you will see he is just the opposite.

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marstein

So many people insist on taking the bible (or koran or whatever is your BOOK) literally. The bible says that David had a couple hundred wifes and half as many concubines. It says that you should be stoned for adultery, that the world was created in seven days. While the moral principles in the bible are very valid, a lot of the stories are just that.

I wonder why the same people that justify their laws with what is written in scripture (bush on gay marriage), have no problem with 150000 people killed on the search for weapons of mass destruction. I don't think this is about religion. It's about testosterone, control, whatever. We should ask ourselves what makes the world, our community better and be guided by the principles in our religions. Life is sacred, don't kill, do good, the 10 commandments, Jesus' words on the mountain (turn the other cheek, etc). I think the world would be a better place.
So what does intelligent design (creationism) improve in the world? It pushes a religious agenda that relies on the bible being the only truth. Why is it so threatening to people that they have a common ancestor with the monkey? Get over it.

TheFeniX

Why wouldn't you? Fundamentalists use it that way all the time.

So the whole "slaughtering innocent people for the sins of a few" is made up for because of the good deeds he did later? Or was it more because now that the power base was built they figured they should tone down their God so people would focus less on his homicidal rages. Aries was much cooler in my opinion though.

Edit: I feel I should add: "14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." - If God has all the answers, why is he listening to Moses at all?

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leejo

You are clearly an intelligent person and are on your own spiritual quest. Personally, I spent a long time applying rational and critical thinking to parse the Bible, running into contradictions, and generally finding things with which I disagree or at best bothered me. You can spend the rest of your life doing that.

I spend my thought and energies on the things that do work, that do lift me up and help me lift others up. I fail a lot as plenty of my more cranky posts demonstrate. What I'm suggesting is don't waste your time or passion on such a negative pursuit. You might want to check out My Utmost For His Highest. You may find it ridiculous, but I've enjoyed it a lot.

rs_al

You're taking the new testament out of context; that context is the Bible. Don't deny the old testament because the new one is easier to digest. If God is that He is, then really it's the same guy right? He didn't just have a mood swing or try out some good ideas he read in The Republic. I know the new testament is nice with all it's flowers and rainbows, but you can't just deny His tendency to act like a PO'd Texan sometimes.

Trooper

believe me ive read the new and old testament and have studied both alot. I know what he can and cant seem like. you have to read everything. you need to know the culture in which the bible was written, you have to know what things where done the way they where 5000 years ago and how they are different they are from how today is.

yah i relize how GOD come across sometimes and i think its a hang up for alot of people but he is showing that he can be both loving and caring, and punish thos that go against him, in which since he created all and knows all he has the write.

show me one other religion where the GOD is alive has risen and wants a personal relationship with you. fact!

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