Karkianman101

leejo, wtf. Do you work in the field? Because some people, like Buck, actually do. They understand it alot more than you, coming in here thinking its no work. And I tend to trust someone who works in the field over some asshat walking in and insulting everybody and telling them, when they actually know, how much work is involved.

leejo

Yes I work in the field wtf and don't call me an asshat. I carried a pager and lived in server rooms many nights getting ready for y2k, and sat up all night watching the clocks trip. This ain't that by a long shot.

Ddogg works in the field too. Several of us who disagree with Buck Fush et al know exactly what we're talking about.

luna

I don't know about the rest of you, but MY alarm clock, as well as my stove, my car clock, my watch and my coffee maker already require extra work- can you believe that? Twice a year, I have to go around the house and actually need to click the clock button and change the damn thing MYSELF! And the numbers don't go backwards either, so I need to click the freaking thing 23 times in the fall to get the time to go back an hour! Talk about extra work. [/sarcasm]

Side note- I'll be rather pleased to have Halloween with some daylight, instead of walking a young child around in pitch black. Not to mention, I'll be happy to have some afterschool time where my son can actually go outside for more than 1/2 an hour.

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Karkianman101

Well then if you want people to take you seriously and not call you an asshat, posts like this
don't contribute very much.

leejo

Tell ya what. I'll worry about my behavior and you worry about yours. If I call you a name, you can make an issue of it, but I haven't so check yourself.

Karkianman101

Well, you didn't specifically call anyone a name, so that leaves you open. And respect is kind of required, as is maturity, and your post definately didn't fall into either category.

This place is a community, not some place where people talk a bit without rules or expectations. We all check eachothers behaviour, and in return are ourselves checked.

leejo

Just don't call me, or anyone else, an asshat again.

Karkianman101

Sorry, and while it may be wrong of me, I tend to respond to insult with insult. Don't call people names, and you yourself will not be called one. Don't be the author of childish and insulting posts and then get all surprised when someone insults you.

=DdogG=

all this because of a clock?

really... the point is that some of you are freaking out over a minute change in routine 2 years from now.... seriously, if you REALLY knew what you were talking about, you would not be so paranoid about the change. It is not a big deal.

and on the subject of "is this worth it?" any saving is saving. while there are more significant changes that can be made, this one is very benign and easily implemented without too much negative impact on the lazy american public, who likes thier instant on- throwaway- self centered existance.

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rs_al

Have you ever spent a couple of hours trying to debug a problem in a complex scheduling software scenario that turned out to be not a problem but a result of the daylight savings shift?

Nope?

Well I have. So I guess YOU are the one who doen't know what they're talking about, and might want to consider keeping the talking down to a minimum.

leejo

I spent the better part of two years largely focused on y2k issues. I've seen some crazy, but boring, stuff related to time. Ddogg, for all you know, is going to respond with qualifications that dwarf yours.

I'm sorry you had to spend a few hours on something that happened to have something to do with this subject, but that does not make you any more of an expert than me, or Ddogg.

It still seems like a weenie whiney position to me.

rs_al

I guess you wouldn't understand then. We have dozens of customers. If we're doing time incorrectly for just a single day, tens of thousands of orders could have problems.

But it's not just that we have to make the change. This isn't y2k - that was a change that has to happen because we can't stop the march of time. This is a change that has to happen because of a PR stunt. Because of a change made without any impact or cost/benefit analysis, nothing - just a "hey we'll promise people an extra hour in the day and they'll probably even believe us".

In the world I live in, this would be unacceptable. You don't need to be an expert on DST, just on common sense, to say this is utter bs.

leejo

You guess I wouldn't understand? I don't understand where that's coming from. I manage *all* the IT work done for dozens of accounts out of the hundreds my company manages. If there's a problem, I promise you I'm aware of it and feel the pain. And precision is important for our clients, and us, too.

Anyway, gripe if you want and you think it helps. You know where I stand.

rs_al

You continue to not understand.

THE CHANGE ISN'T THAT BAD. I get it.

But WHY!?! You haven't addressed this at all. WHY are we making this change. If the government declares red to be blue and blue to be octarine, and decrees that by 2007 we must comply, would there still be this "omg george w bush best president ever this is the best idea ever stop griping all you whiners.", or might somewhere, deep down inside, a little voice say "Why?"

=DdogG=

personally, I don't ask why. I think even the smallest savings of energy is worth a minor change in the way we do DST.

You have yet to demonstrate to us how awful your life will be or link to a single product that will be adversely affected. I do not think the product exists. As I have said before, All I need is proof that your life will be horrible (or even slightly adversely affected) as a result. So far, we have heard "I work with time sensitive software!" but you have not proven that the software is isolated from time servers, that you designed said software, and that you must now rebuild the code to allow for the new DST setup. What exactly do you do that makes "time to the hour" vital? what software are you using? are you going to be spending months rebuilding the code?

Sorry, but IT IS PART OF THE JOB. If you boss said "hey, I want to all the currency converted to euros." then you would do it. not because it had to, but because someone with MORE POWER THAN YOU said that's the way it's gonna be. (that's part of life)

Seriously, if this little thing puts you into omg mode, maybe you are in the wrong line of work. An I.T. professional is a fireman. the sooner you figure that one out, the happier life will be.

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