My first negative ebay experience and feedback

Pickle · 11-08-2005, 03:37 PM

I purchased a poster for dirt cheap. I checked his feedback and it wasn't bad. Must have been in transition. Three weeks later I haven't heard from him or received the poster. So I send him an email asking what the status is and I state that I would rather not have to leave negative feedback.

His response; "Hey, I have sent you e-mails and the poster was sent. If you leave me a neg you will get one right back. I dont respond to threats. Item was sent and I dont know why it has not arrived yet but I do not like to be treated this way. I was out of town for a week and I just got back. do what you like but you will get a negative also if you leave me one. I dont like rude people."

Well that right there is against Ebay's TOS. They call it feedback extortion.

I respond; "Wow, relax. I was just trying to let you know what the current situation is. No threat was intended. You have good feedback, as do I and I am sure that you value it as much as I do. I have worked real hard and been conscientious to achieve this feedback. I thought I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

I haven't received the item I paid for and I haven't received any communication back from you. I am sure that if you look at this from my point of view (remember I don't know that you sent me emails, were out of town that you or sent the item) you will be more understanding. Perhaps I should have gone more out of my way to sugar coat my email more but I was in a bit of a rush. The written word does not translate well sometimes. If you would please provide me with dates and tracking numbers I would appreciate it."

He responds in a favorable disposition and I think all is well. A week later (almost 4 weeks from purchase) i receive the item. I left a neutral feedback because I felt the shipping was way too long. He stated that he already sent the item around week two but the postmark revealed his lie.

The guy then leaves me a negative feedback with complete lies that I can't remove and Ebay won't touch without a court order. Since I purchased the item this guy has received a bunch of unfavorable feedback and made his feedback "private".

So I email him; "I left you neutral feedback because your shipping was very late. I had every right to leave you negative feedback but didn't because I thought we were working on the issue. You had no right to leave me negative feedback with false information in it. I did not pay you late. I paid you 2 days after the close of auction. We argue about me being rude, I thought that was settled but it boils down to interpretation. I have contacted ebay about this. I will seek any means I can to resolve this in my favor. You ar ethe type of individual that gives ebay a bad name. Now I know why you have such a bad ebay history and why you have chosen to keep your feedback private and why you have recently changed your screen name."

His response; "There was no issue you got your item and do what you like but ebay wont remove feedbacks. I am sick of people leaving bad feedbacks and then not expecting them in return. I sent your item you got it and that all i can do. Please dont e-mail me again because i wont respond and you should be banned from ebay jerk."

I'm not liking ebay so much now. But since I have his email address I am thinking of other things....

edit: My ebay is ocpickle

**TheFeniX** · 11-08-2005, 03:45 PM

Yea, my mom's big into Ebay selling. Has like 5 billion positive feedback and one neutral because one lady decided that even though her auction explicitly said a piece was missing from it (some basket cover or something), the set was incomplete.

I summed her whole story up as: It's the Internet.

**USN_Squid** · 11-08-2005, 03:57 PM

I think the advantage of the auction which e-bay was founded on has been negated by crooks and inflated shipping.

I still check there when preparing to buy something, but unless someone with amazing feedback (I mean thousands) is giving something away with reasonable shipping fees I don't bother.

Max_Death · 11-08-2005, 04:12 PM

Eesh!
I hope that dosen't happen to me!
I just ordered something from eBay, but the guy (or gal) did have mainly positive feedback... But I do understand what you mean. It's too bad eBay wont do anything more... Oh well...

**Apophis** · 11-08-2005, 04:18 PM

My first question is: What is THIS guys eBay ID?

**leejo** · 11-08-2005, 04:21 PM

I'd offer to mutually withdraw your feedback. He's already gotten himself in hot water with the community and you have the poster you ordered so the only real change would be the restoration of your good name. He might go for it.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/...ithdrawal.html

Ebay is a fantastic site. For women. My mother and wife buy all sorts of doodads and knicknacks and never have a hitch: ever heard of a shady majolica dealer?

For the fellas, and whenever dealing with an individual instead of a business, caveat empter.

**DudeMan** · 11-08-2005, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apophis

My first question is: What is THIS guys eBay ID?

i like how you think

i have bought nothing over ebay since i got robbed, i bought a head lamp designed for scuba, it had a great looking tri-band strap for comfot and stability,

i paid a fair price for what was worth £60... at least... i got a £4.99 "Army and Navy" caving lamp with a ridiculous rubber strap and when i did take it diving (just because i wanted to see what would happen) it filled up fizzed and died in 10 meters.

ebay is comprised of a bunch of tossers ripping off honest people.

Gunrack · 11-08-2005, 04:24 PM

Pickle, you did the right thing. You left an appropriate response to the negative feedback left for you. Most people who have eBay'd for some time will see this, and will also notice that the seller turned his feedback private, meaning he has done something shady and has something to hide. This means most eBayers will continue to still buy/sell with you, and most will ignore that negative.

Also, in the future, try not to leave feedback first, esp. when dealing with someone like that. At the very least you would be able to give him a negative back. I agree that this whole feedback thing is still a pain in the a**, but at the same time, it should hardly affect your future eBaying, if you still choose to do so.

Pickle · 11-08-2005, 04:25 PM

I have submitted a complaint to eBay but they specifically state that they won't remove negative feedback without a court order. This is frustrating because I have proof that the information he entered is wrong. i.e. Paypal (owned by Ebay) transaction #.

He has since changed his ebay id to slumberparty-california. I don't remember what it was before.

Eggplant999 · 11-08-2005, 04:57 PM

Sucks man, I would hate something like that happen to me, it's taken me over 5 years to get positive 16. One negative would totally ruin my rating. There's not much you can do other than where it lets you explain the comment just say "I received item 5 weeks late, and the seller gave me negative feedback for retaliation of my feedback."

something along those lines.

IceCold · 11-08-2005, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apophis

My first question is: What is THIS guys eBay ID?

and email address....

**Rincewind** · 11-08-2005, 05:30 PM

It's a bit of a PITA, but what I do is have one ebay account for selling and one account for buying. That way, I can neg a seller when they deserve it (without worrying about retalliation) and still be able to sell what I need to.

**DudeMan** · 11-08-2005, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceCold

and email address....

yeah why dont we all send him some nasty emails, and there are other things like, posting it on gay porn websites perfect habitat for viruses.... etc etc... or is this too sick mean and twisted to have 200 people sabotaging this email address till its not worth having.

AzzMan · 11-08-2005, 05:57 PM

This reminds me of the time I paid a fair price for two cards (totalled $30) and never recieved them.

I don't Ebay much anymore.

Pickle · 11-08-2005, 06:02 PM

I, of course, can't officially condone any kind of retaliatory action against this individual. However, in the interest of warning all of you about his shady business practices (there seems to be a fair amount of eBay'ers here) I guess I can tell you his name and email addy.

- Gary Jerue
- thegiftshacknmore@yahoo.com
- Ebay ID = slumberparty-california

I hope this doesn't violate any TOS here

11-08-2005, 03:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pickle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Land of Fruit and Nuts! Age: 35 Posts: 1,281	My first negative ebay experience and feedback I purchased a poster for dirt cheap. I checked his feedback and it wasn't bad. Must have been in transition. Three weeks later I haven't heard from him or received the poster. So I send him an email asking what the status is and I state that I would rather not have to leave negative feedback. His response; "Hey, I have sent you e-mails and the poster was sent. If you leave me a neg you will get one right back. I dont respond to threats. Item was sent and I dont know why it has not arrived yet but I do not like to be treated this way. I was out of town for a week and I just got back. do what you like but you will get a negative also if you leave me one. I dont like rude people." Well that right there is against Ebay's TOS. They call it feedback extortion. I respond; "Wow, relax. I was just trying to let you know what the current situation is. No threat was intended. You have good feedback, as do I and I am sure that you value it as much as I do. I have worked real hard and been conscientious to achieve this feedback. I thought I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I haven't received the item I paid for and I haven't received any communication back from you. I am sure that if you look at this from my point of view (remember I don't know that you sent me emails, were out of town that you or sent the item) you will be more understanding. Perhaps I should have gone more out of my way to sugar coat my email more but I was in a bit of a rush. The written word does not translate well sometimes. If you would please provide me with dates and tracking numbers I would appreciate it." He responds in a favorable disposition and I think all is well. A week later (almost 4 weeks from purchase) i receive the item. I left a neutral feedback because I felt the shipping was way too long. He stated that he already sent the item around week two but the postmark revealed his lie. The guy then leaves me a negative feedback with complete lies that I can't remove and Ebay won't touch without a court order. Since I purchased the item this guy has received a bunch of unfavorable feedback and made his feedback "private". So I email him; "I left you neutral feedback because your shipping was very late. I had every right to leave you negative feedback but didn't because I thought we were working on the issue. You had no right to leave me negative feedback with false information in it. I did not pay you late. I paid you 2 days after the close of auction. We argue about me being rude, I thought that was settled but it boils down to interpretation. I have contacted ebay about this. I will seek any means I can to resolve this in my favor. You ar ethe type of individual that gives ebay a bad name. Now I know why you have such a bad ebay history and why you have chosen to keep your feedback private and why you have recently changed your screen name." His response; "There was no issue you got your item and do what you like but ebay wont remove feedbacks. I am sick of people leaving bad feedbacks and then not expecting them in return. I sent your item you got it and that all i can do. Please dont e-mail me again because i wont respond and you should be banned from ebay jerk." I'm not liking ebay so much now. But since I have his email address I am thinking of other things.... edit: My ebay is ocpickle __________________ "Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead [tg-c1][ma-c1][defense]

11-08-2005, 03:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
TheFeniX Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 26 Posts: 4,473	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback Yea, my mom's big into Ebay selling. Has like 5 billion positive feedback and one neutral because one lady decided that even though her auction explicitly said a piece was missing from it (some basket cover or something), the set was incomplete. I summed her whole story up as: It's the Internet. __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TheFeniX's Steam Profile TG's Team Fortress 2 Steam Group

11-08-2005, 03:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
USN_Squid Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denver Age: 38 Posts: 3,132	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback I think the advantage of the auction which e-bay was founded on has been negated by crooks and inflated shipping. I still check there when preparing to buy something, but unless someone with amazing feedback (I mean thousands) is giving something away with reasonable shipping fees I don't bother. __________________ New to TG? Start here!

11-08-2005, 04:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Max_Death Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, US Age: 17 Posts: 10	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback Eesh! I hope that dosen't happen to me! I just ordered something from eBay, but the guy (or gal) did have mainly positive feedback... But I do understand what you mean. It's too bad eBay wont do anything more... Oh well... __________________ Konnichiwa. Ogenki desu ka? Superman (after he headshots me): I <3 you Max! (Next map) Me: Yeah... I <5-2 you too... Him (through voice): That make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... In the least gay way possible... "I reject your reality and substitute my own." "Hey Scott! Pick a number between 1 and 7" "10... Oh, wait..."

11-08-2005, 04:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Apophis Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 36 Posts: 8,917	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback My first question is: What is THIS guys eBay ID? __________________ Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.

11-08-2005, 04:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,656	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback I'd offer to mutually withdraw your feedback. He's already gotten himself in hot water with the community and you have the poster you ordered so the only real change would be the restoration of your good name. He might go for it. http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/...ithdrawal.html Ebay is a fantastic site. For women. My mother and wife buy all sorts of doodads and knicknacks and never have a hitch: ever heard of a shady majolica dealer? For the fellas, and whenever dealing with an individual instead of a business, caveat empter.

11-08-2005, 04:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Gunrack Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 392	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback Pickle, you did the right thing. You left an appropriate response to the negative feedback left for you. Most people who have eBay'd for some time will see this, and will also notice that the seller turned his feedback private, meaning he has done something shady and has something to hide. This means most eBayers will continue to still buy/sell with you, and most will ignore that negative. Also, in the future, try not to leave feedback first, esp. when dealing with someone like that. At the very least you would be able to give him a negative back. I agree that this whole feedback thing is still a pain in the a**, but at the same time, it should hardly affect your future eBaying, if you still choose to do so. __________________ \|TG-33rd\|Gunrack [squadl][defense][assault][unit] [at][tg-c1]

11-08-2005, 04:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pickle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Land of Fruit and Nuts! Age: 35 Posts: 1,281	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback I have submitted a complaint to eBay but they specifically state that they won't remove negative feedback without a court order. This is frustrating because I have proof that the information he entered is wrong. i.e. Paypal (owned by Ebay) transaction #. He has since changed his ebay id to slumberparty-california. I don't remember what it was before. __________________ "Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead [tg-c1][ma-c1][defense]

11-08-2005, 04:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Eggplant999 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 307	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback Sucks man, I would hate something like that happen to me, it's taken me over 5 years to get positive 16. One negative would totally ruin my rating. There's not much you can do other than where it lets you explain the comment just say "I received item 5 weeks late, and the seller gave me negative feedback for retaliation of my feedback." something along those lines.

11-08-2005, 05:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rincewind Join Date: May 2005 Location: Casting useless spells in Oklahoma. Age: 27 Posts: 2,777	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback It's a bit of a PITA, but what I do is have one ebay account for selling and one account for buying. That way, I can neg a seller when they deserve it (without worrying about retalliation) and still be able to sell what I need to. __________________ ~~ Veritas simplex oratio est ~~ No matter how far a wizard goes, he will always come back for his hat. --T. Pratchett <---- You know you're getting old when you rely on your forum meta-data to remind you how old you are. Required Reading for all TG sandboxers

11-08-2005, 05:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
AzzMan Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Age: 17 Posts: 1,774	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback This reminds me of the time I paid a fair price for two cards (totalled $30) and never recieved them. I don't Ebay much anymore.

11-08-2005, 06:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pickle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Land of Fruit and Nuts! Age: 35 Posts: 1,281	Re: My first negative ebay experience and feedback I, of course, can't officially condone any kind of retaliatory action against this individual. However, in the interest of warning all of you about his shady business practices (there seems to be a fair amount of eBay'ers here) I guess I can tell you his name and email addy. - Gary Jerue - thegiftshacknmore@yahoo.com - Ebay ID = slumberparty-california I hope this doesn't violate any TOS here __________________ "Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead [tg-c1][ma-c1][defense]

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