Beware devious bartenders

SmokingTarpan · 11-23-2005, 09:15 AM

They may be out to kill you:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html

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Originally Posted by CNN

The ruling said the bartender intentionally contributed to the excess by drinking shots of water, tricking the victim into what he thought was a drinking contest.

**SloppyJoe** · 11-25-2005, 01:25 PM

Damn, sometimes I'm so shocked. The old water trick. So the poor sod has to go to jail because some less than intelligent alcoholic drank too much.

"Hey let's dive off the Golden Gate Bridge! You go first then I go"

[CoFR]Bloodbane · 11-26-2005, 04:35 PM

This article doesnt say how long the guy has been bartending. Regardless, that is like serving someone 30 pints of beer in 90 mins. Was this bartender a complete idiot or was he holding some grudge with the poor guy?

I cant imagine why anyone would do something like that and not know the end result would be very bad. That guys BAC had to be close to .50, I think .30 is coma time. The poor guys "intelligence" probably went out the window after the first 5 or 6 shots, somebody should have been looking out for him, and if nobody was the bartender should have been. Instead the bartender was apparantly egging him on and encouraging him to drink more. I think the prosecuters could make a case for involuntary manslaughter. 6 months seems pretty light if you ask me considering he could've gotten 6 years.

Any lawyers out there? Could the bartender have actually been charged with involuntary manslaughter or have I just been watching too much Law and Order?

**CingularDuality** · 11-26-2005, 05:29 PM

Perhaps things are different in other countries, but here in the United States, a shot of liquor usually has about the same amount of alcohol as 12 oz of beer. I don't know where you got your "30 pints" number from, but that's way off.

That said, I think that most places in the US, the bartender could be charged with some sort of homicide charge...

[CoFR]Bloodbane · 11-27-2005, 12:50 AM

I guess I am seeing it that a shot of tequila is about equal to one pint, or almost two 12oz. beers. After all we are looking at the difference between something with 3-4% alcohol (beer) and something with 40-50% alcohol (tequila). The liquor category on most of those BAC charts includes rum, vodka, and tequila all in the same category as peach schnapps which doesnt make much sense. But speaking just in terms of amount of alcohol consumed it would take roughly twice as many 12oz beers to get the same amount of alcohol. Convert that to pints and you get around 30. Maybe there are other factors I am not considering, or maybe my math is off.

Regardless, it is a lot of alcohol. Some frathouse college kids hazing someone I might be able to believe, but anyone (especially a bartender) with half a brain should know drinking that much could kill you.

**CingularDuality** · 11-27-2005, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by [CoFR]Bloodbane

Regardless, it is a lot of alcohol. Some frathouse college kids hazing someone I might be able to believe, but anyone (especially a bartender) with half a brain should know drinking that much could kill you.

I was going off this chart:

Code:

Beverage                  % alcohol       Size of        Grams of
                          by volume        drink          alcohol
                                        ml       oz

Beer (bottle)               5           341      12         13.4
Beer (can)                  5           355      12.5       14.0
Light beer (bottle)         3.5         341      12          9.4
Light beer (can)            3.5         355      12.5        9.8
Wine                       12           142       5         13.4
                           12           170       6         16.1
Fortified wine             20           56.8      2          8.9
Spirits                    40           28.4      1          8.9
                           40           35.5      1.25      11.2
                           40           42.6      1.5       13.4

And that is a LOT of alcohol to consume in an hour and a half! I've easily consumed that much in an evening, but not in that short of a time period...

Wintermute · 11-28-2005, 04:24 PM

I am pretty sure I have drunk the equivalent of 10 shots in 90 minutes on several occasions. I know people who do that every week.

Assuming two 25ml shots = one 5% pint then that is 5 pints. It would get you good and pissed, and possibly throwing up, but not hospital. That guy must have already been drinking.

I know some guys that played centurion with red wine. One shot of wine every minute for 100 minutes. Thats 2500ml of wine or three bottles per person. Even dafter, they didn't learn and played the same game again a few months later.

Pickle · 11-28-2005, 05:28 PM

My grandmother was once lucid after a .40. Grams was quite the gal!

**CingularDuality** · 11-29-2005, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Wintermute

I am pretty sure I have drunk the equivalent of 10 shots in 90 minutes on several occasions. I know people who do that every week.

I've probably done that on more than a few occasions, as well...

But twice that? 19 shots (well over a fifth of tequila!) in an hour and a half? That's a bit much...

I've killed a bottle or two in my time, but not that quickly!

Wintermute · 11-29-2005, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CingularDuality

But twice that? 19 shots (well over a fifth of tequila!) in an hour and a half? That's a bit much...

Oh nineteen. I misread that and though it said 10. yeah that explains it. That's alot of liquor.

11-25-2005, 01:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
SloppyJoe Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 2,162	Re: Beware devious bartenders Damn, sometimes I'm so shocked. The old water trick. So the poor sod has to go to jail because some less than intelligent alcoholic drank too much. "Hey let's dive off the Golden Gate Bridge! You go first then I go" __________________ . Serving the [4th Force Recon] since June 2007 [Game rules, announcements, and SOPs ][ Armed Assault ][ Counter-Strike Source ][ Call of Duty ] "The success of what we do depends upon people valuing the team over themselves." - Wulfyn

11-26-2005, 04:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
[CoFR]Bloodbane Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 33 Posts: 53	Re: Beware devious bartenders This article doesnt say how long the guy has been bartending. Regardless, that is like serving someone 30 pints of beer in 90 mins. Was this bartender a complete idiot or was he holding some grudge with the poor guy? I cant imagine why anyone would do something like that and not know the end result would be very bad. That guys BAC had to be close to .50, I think .30 is coma time. The poor guys "intelligence" probably went out the window after the first 5 or 6 shots, somebody should have been looking out for him, and if nobody was the bartender should have been. Instead the bartender was apparantly egging him on and encouraging him to drink more. I think the prosecuters could make a case for involuntary manslaughter. 6 months seems pretty light if you ask me considering he could've gotten 6 years. Any lawyers out there? Could the bartender have actually been charged with involuntary manslaughter or have I just been watching too much Law and Order?

11-26-2005, 05:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
CingularDuality Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, USA Age: 33 Posts: 16,637	Re: Beware devious bartenders Perhaps things are different in other countries, but here in the United States, a shot of liquor usually has about the same amount of alcohol as 12 oz of beer. I don't know where you got your "30 pints" number from, but that's way off. That said, I think that most places in the US, the bartender could be charged with some sort of homicide charge... __________________ Become a supporting member! -- Shop at the Tactical Market! Take the world's smallest political quiz! "I was touched by His Noodly Appendage." TacticalGamer TX LAN/BBQ Veteran:

11-27-2005, 12:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
[CoFR]Bloodbane Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 33 Posts: 53	Re: Beware devious bartenders I guess I am seeing it that a shot of tequila is about equal to one pint, or almost two 12oz. beers. After all we are looking at the difference between something with 3-4% alcohol (beer) and something with 40-50% alcohol (tequila). The liquor category on most of those BAC charts includes rum, vodka, and tequila all in the same category as peach schnapps which doesnt make much sense. But speaking just in terms of amount of alcohol consumed it would take roughly twice as many 12oz beers to get the same amount of alcohol. Convert that to pints and you get around 30. Maybe there are other factors I am not considering, or maybe my math is off. Regardless, it is a lot of alcohol. Some frathouse college kids hazing someone I might be able to believe, but anyone (especially a bartender) with half a brain should know drinking that much could kill you.

11-28-2005, 04:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wintermute Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Age: 24 Posts: 1,166	Re: Beware devious bartenders I am pretty sure I have drunk the equivalent of 10 shots in 90 minutes on several occasions. I know people who do that every week. Assuming two 25ml shots = one 5% pint then that is 5 pints. It would get you good and pissed, and possibly throwing up, but not hospital. That guy must have already been drinking. I know some guys that played centurion with red wine. One shot of wine every minute for 100 minutes. Thats 2500ml of wine or three bottles per person. Even dafter, they didn't learn and played the same game again a few months later. __________________ Wintermute Play EVE online. It's like being an accounting addict in space. www.MakePovertyHistory.com

11-28-2005, 05:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pickle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Land of Fruit and Nuts! Age: 35 Posts: 1,281	Re: Beware devious bartenders My grandmother was once lucid after a .40. Grams was quite the gal! __________________ "Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead [tg-c1][ma-c1][defense]

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