El_Gringo_Grande

Stats can lie, ya know.

The crime rate dropped but the population climbed. Why did the population climb? Was there alot more jobs available? More money for all? With more money there is less need to steal.

Anytime there is good economics there is a decrease in crime.

There is a book out that did stated the one of the best predictors of decreased crime was the abortion rate. A HIGHER abortion rate meant lower crime.

Hmmm....

What does that mean?

El_Gringo_Grande

Yea, I agree. They are saying to the rest of the world if you move here you must do x,y and z. But in that case it is the government, with the support of the people I hope, trying dictate to all others in this country what must be done to have the privilige of living there.

In the case of a community saying "You can't have a gun" it is the community, hopefully, saying to the rest of the country "We have a problem here and we are trying to solve it this way. Move in if you want but just know that it isn't optimal right now." (Of course like I said early it could simply be a bunch of elitist butt holes being upity.)

I grew up in a place that wanted to be former. Didn't like it much. It seemed to me they wanted to say "We are Americans and demand all the good things that means.... BUT if you come here leave anything you where before at the door because that crap just doesn't fly. Because we are better Americans."

Maybe that is a good thing, trying to increase the standards. Or maybe those that founded this country already had standards good enough for us all.

Don't know.

leejo

Some books show that when Jupiter is ascending in the 2nd phase of Mars you are especially inclined to lose money on the stock market if you are a Pisces.

From the stats I've seen on the CDC, there is a strong correlation between abortion rates and urban populations - i.e. states with few big cities tend to have much lower rates than those with many. NY City has the highest abortion rate in the country - right around 1:1 in parts of the city.

I wonder if the author belives that NY is exporting its good-abortion vibes to the flyover states to cause the relatively lower crime rates many states enjoy.

Hockeydude

"There is a book out that did stated the one of the best predictors of decreased crime was the abortion rate. A HIGHER abortion rate meant lower crime."

The book is called Feakanomics.

Sarcoma

Hello all

Ive been active in IPSC and IDPA for several years. I use my 92f for both. I have made a few cowboy action shooting events with a friend. I really love it.

BUT... I live in F'N CALIFORNIA. San Francisco to boot!!
They hate guns here. since i moved to the big city my babys dont get much action and i havent killed a squirrel for over a year.
[TG] experiment626 got my a AK for x-mas last year ans i havent even seen it yet.

rant over

Hope to be moving soon

Sarcoma

aeroripper

Wow that's really low if I'm interpreting it correctly (as in a really nasty thing to say).

El_Gringo_Grande

I think there are many ways to interpret it. Even a positive one.

When people are given a chance to do what is best for the society as a whole, they generally do it.

GhostintheShell

Personally I'm thankful that no one can carry those around here in Canada.
That would not be "so cool".

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DudeMan

amen brother.

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ScratchMonkey

/me waves from across the Bay, in San Pablo.

I'm "cursed" with a good job in Richmond, so it'll be some time before I can find a saner State. (My boss is also pro-RKBA, and lives in Marin.)

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CingularDuality

Interestingly, in California (is that where you're from?), it's perfectly legal to walk around with an unconcealed holster full of shooting iron without any sort of permit or license...

Of course, the legality of it won't matter much to you when you're face down on the sidewalk saying, "Yes, officer. No, I won't move at all, officer."

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slugslinger

i dont know why i really would like to own those guns.

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GhostintheShell

I don't mind you owning the guns to take to a range, or hunt, or collect or whatever you are permitted to do with them.

You said to "carry". We don't allow CCW permits for civilians here in Canada.

We had a really good intelligent discussion about gun control a year or more ago right here in this forum.

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JMJ

I think an interesting note would be to look at where people are from according to the voting, particularly those who voted "against it completely". They are all from England, UK, Australia, and Canada. Those places have very strict gun control and people are raised to be against guns.

Don't take this as "starting a flame war", it's just an interesting fact. For those of you who are against it, it's also interesting to note that the law abiding citizens who do carry are not the ones getting into trouble and committing crimes, it's the criminals

Trooper

i looked at that the other day....its interesting and im not all that surprised...would like to know more about why those countries are like that...

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