ScratchMonkey

Infinity is a pretty big number.

Vinyl represents audio signal as the height of the medium in a groove. The medium has a finite number of atoms stacked up to represent distinct heights. The mastering system has more limited ability to carve that height. The playback system has limitations in how accurately it can follow the contour. (Ability to follow the contour also affects frequency response, not just discretization.)

Film has analogous limitations.

So in concept, vinyl and film are "atomically digital". Best-case number of bits is the log of the number of atoms available to represent the source signal. That's reduced significantly by the inability of the recording and playback systems to be atomically-accurate.

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CingularDuality

Good point. Very true.

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ScratchMonkey

I mostly know about this stuff because I'm involved in automation of semiconductor fabs and through that I've integrated a lot of cameras for things like OCR and defect inspection. Not super-high-tech but the specs on the data sheets tend to rub off on me. (I mostly deal with communication, getting components to talk to each other. But I find the incidental science fascinating.)

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CingularDuality

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/analog-digital.htm

This site breaks some of the concepts we've been discussing down, Barney style...

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RandomGuy

I suggest you read this, specifically the accuracy and sampling rate sections to understand the difference between the two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog-...ital_converter

I swear, in ten years the web will consist of only Google and Wikipedia

CingularDuality

Heh... I wasn't posting the "How Stuff Works" site for your benefit... I understand the wiki entry, but I thought others might not.

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Yer Mom

Lucas is rich. Period. If he wants to be more rich, or leave his family more money, he will make them. If he doesn't, he won't.

I figure that before he dies, he will atleast write up the scripts and etc to the movies so that they can be made, but I think that he will Will them to his family so that they can decide.

He is a legend, in whole. He goes down in the books beside Poe and Steven King. You may not have seen any of his movies, but you know his name.

I think that if they are made before he dies, then it will be due to people pestering him about it. The media will want interviews, and in every one they will ask him if he is making more. He can say no now, but after a few years of them asking for it, it'll happen.

Just my 2 cents.

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CingularDuality

LOL!

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Leonidas

Don't be such a snob.

I hate the false love people have for the classics. I read the freakin' Odyssey, and it S-U-C-K-E-D. Their writing style was on a FAR lower level then ours is now(Just because it was eons ago is no excuse, people were just as smart back then as they are now).

Just because its only 20 or fewer years old doesen't mean it sucks in comparison. Age makes no deference in the quality of the work, but for some stupid reason some people put them on a pedistal.

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leejo

Wow dude I only read that as "laugh out loud". Your powers of interpretation blow mine away!

Also, I disagree that their writing style was far lower then ours is now.

sordavie

Maybe you picked up a copy that was just poorly translated to English. Maybe the "writing style" can't even be translated accurately.

Leonidas

1. Of course it was more than LOL, you know that.

2. That would be a matter of opinion. I think that it sucks compared to what we have now and that people put all those old works on a pedistal for no good reason, while deriding modern writing as being poor in quality. Again, that seems a matter of opinion.

no, I got a standard copy, nothing fantastic, but not poorly translated. And even if the writing style can't be translated accutately, that can only go so far, at a certain point it simply means poor writing.

I was just expressing frustration at the fact that modern writing is unappreciated.

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leejo

No, I don't know that. You seem to know that somehow based on words Cing was thinking but didn't write? How do you interpret all the other words he's not writing? I bet you're pretty mad!

It may be opinion, but next time you want to take a swing at the classics, you may wish to

• use the correct words (than instead of then),

• avoid the parenthetical run-on sentence(you know the sort of run-on sentence you can stuff into prose by slapping parantheses around a phrase?),

• avoid placing a run-on sentence inside the parentheses (!!),

• or at least put a space between the opening paranthesis and the rest of the sentence.

It sorta undercuts your argument that "their writing style was on a FAR lower level then ours is now(Just because it was eons ago is no excuse, people were just as smart back then as they are now)."

Pop quiz kids! Is Leo's sentence ironic?


Who's knocking the moderns? Dood, Christine is the shiznet! A car that kills people who say mean things about it? Brilliant!

Leonidas

1. It was implied in his post. No, I'm not mad. YOU seem mad.

2. See, I never set myself up as a brilliant writer. I'm allowed to make mistakes when I have no status as such. Calm down, d00d.

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leejo

1. No, it wasn't implied in his post. I can easily imagine several other interpretations for Cing's comments. And I'm not mad, just teasing.
2. You are allowed to make mistakes all the time. Surely you appreciate the contrast between the idea you presented, that the modern writing style is superior to the classic style, and the way you presented it with a run-on sentence inside another run-on sentence, incorrect punctuation, incorrect spacing, and even the incorrect word. I mean, damn dude: that's some funny stuff!