Pickle

Leonidas, "hate" is a strong word. I am a Christian. I have been one for a very long time. I have yet to meet one that hates Jews. Lets try to stick to fact here.

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Lummox

Yes, kind of a harsh generalization. Every faith has its fanatics who choose to hate others for their differences instead of love them. That aside, I agree with Pickle, probably best to leave generalizations out of it.

Leonidas

Yes, true, in America perhaps. But look at history and modern facts, such as the treatment of Israel by european countries. Israel is not even allowed into the international red cross org because they will not use the cross for their symbol, but islamic countries can use the crescent and thats just fine. Than there is the rampant bigotry in france and much of europe, the world, in fact. Americans may more tolerant, but much of the world is not.

Anyway, this line of talk could take up a thousand threads. Best not to get it started in a tread it was not made for.

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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling that thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety is a miserable creature, who has no chance at being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill--

"O xein angellein lakedaimoniois hoti tede keimetha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi"- Monument, Thermopylae

aeroripper

I thought the red cross symbol is a reference to the harmony of nature and not the christian symbol of the cross. And yes, america is of course the most tolerant, it is in the natural order of things that the rest of the world be worse than us. Funny, america has a long history of slavery, bigotry, racism, anti-immigrant, and up until sometime after WWII, a good part anti-semetic as well, but it seems its easy to forget about all that when comparing american to everyone else.

As for modern attitutes towards the jews is one of victimization here in America, is largely due to the indoctrination of the goodness of the US versus the hitler genocide. So when your comparing those two things, of course it makes the US look a lot better.

Lummox: Impossible, its human tendency to create generalizations to understand large concepts (especially when answering subjectively as your relating to personal events from your own life). Although it is good to recognize when you are and try to be more specific.

For topic starter: Yes Islam is backwards to you, but I'm sure they feel the same way about all the crazyness in the bible as well. It's in both religions, and personally I feel they are both "religions of funk".

leejo

Let's say then that the French hate jews and stick to euro-centric bigotry. I've known several french people and all they talk about is how crappy jews are. One even drew me a picture of jew babies with horns and little tails.

leejo

You didn't get the memo? We're supposed to start allowing homosexuals in the clergy and in return homosexuals now hate jews too. There was a whole thing about it in the Yay Jesus newsletter.

Mateo

My subscription lapsed, I think.

I was a follower of Catholicism, that is, until the Priesthood turned out to be a haven for child molesters. Now I'm somewhat churchless.

And Catholics don't have a monopoly on hypocrisy. I can't tell you how many times I was told that I was going to hell for being Catholic, not Born-again. Last I checked: same Bible, same Jesus, same God.

Christianity as a whole needs to get their house in order and start living up to its requirements before they can tell anyone what to do.

What do I mean by that?

Instead of war, try peace.
Instead of materialism, try charity and good works.
Instead of division, try tolerance.

Maybe Christians should read the Bible some time.

SmokingTarpan

Holy crap, that is funny. You get a gold star for the day.

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ScratchMonkey

I'm thinking of joining one of these churches:

http://www.churchofreality.org/

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

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leejo

I was a member of the Church of Divine Procrastination in college. If it could be put off, it was put off.

Those two links struck me as more anti-Christian and anti-Bush than pro anything. I guess Cing's form of agnosticism suits me much better: we can have respectful discussions and challenge each other's assumptions and experience without resorting to sneering at others' lifestyle or deeply personal religious beliefs. Or dragging politics into it.

Aren't I wonderful, respecting a godless heathen like Cing?

ScratchMonkey

I was born into a Christian family and am now an atheist, so I get to experience a lot of "well-meaning" pity and disgust. I can sympathize with homosexuals.

I'm no more anti-Bush than I am anti-Kerry. They both want to micro-manage my life. They just disagree on where to start.

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Boot

Come to the light, little ones.

http://www.scientology.org/html/en_U...lts/index.html



Eh, or don't. Just send cash.

I wonder if they take PayPal...?

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Leonidas

Ever see the South Park episode that made fun of Scientology? Sooo funny, and 100% true. Really, it was all really what they believe. Like when they made fun of the Mormons.

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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling that thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety is a miserable creature, who has no chance at being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill--

"O xein angellein lakedaimoniois hoti tede keimetha tois keinon rhemasi peithomenoi"- Monument, Thermopylae

munchkin

Dude, I watched that last night. Great stuff.

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Ben

I am an orthodox Jewish American/Isreali. So I guess EVERYONE must hate my ass.

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