40 reason not to own guns.

**TheFeniX** · 01-18-2006, 02:32 PM

My buddy sent this to me (source unknown):

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1.Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago cops need guns.
2.Washington DC's low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Arlington, VA's high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3.Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4.The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994, are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5.We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6.The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7.A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
8.When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense — give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).
9.The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns and Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
10.One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for spinal paralysis, a computer programmer for Y2K problems, and Sarah Brady [or Sheena Duncan, Adele Kirsten, Peter Storey, etc.] for firearms expertise.
11.The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1903.
12.The National Guard, funded by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state militia.
13.These phrases," right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumeration's herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people," all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.
14.We don't need guns against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, but we should ban and seize all guns, thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments to that Constitution.
15.Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense, which is why the army has millions of them.
16.Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they serve no military purpose, and private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles," because they are military weapons.
17.The ready availability of guns today, with waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, et cetera, is responsible for recent school shootings,compared to the lack of school shootings in the 40's, 50's and 60's, which resulted from the availability of guns at hardware stores, surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, mail order, et cetera.
18.The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, and the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
19.Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
20.A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
21.Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
22.Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
23.Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
24.A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
25.A self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
26.Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
27.The right of online pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
28.Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
29.The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
30.Charlton Heston as president of the NRA is a shill who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
31.Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
32.We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
33.Police officers, who qualify with their duty weapons once or twice a year, have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
34.Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
35.Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
36."Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people, which is why the police need them but "civilians" do not.
37.When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
38.Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
39.An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
40.When Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands," they don't mean you. Really.

The bolded are ones I found particularly amusing.

Buck Fush · 01-18-2006, 03:01 PM

Priceless. I've never seen the arguments from that side so precisely worded.

I actually agree with #38. Trigger locks, IMO, could prevent most child-related shootings. I encourage their use on stored weapons.

**TheFeniX** · 01-18-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck Fush

I actually agree with #38. Trigger locks, IMO, could prevent most child-related shootings. I encourage their use on stored weapons.

The problem I have with gun-locks is clear. If the gun is being stored: it should be unloaded. Now an uneducated kid would have to take the action to load the weapon, and fire it.

This requires education in how a firearm works, more so than is garnered from most of TV. If your child is educated in gun safety as well as operation as he/she should be: it's a non-issue.

A gun safe is the better bet because it stops the gun from being stolen. A gun lock does not.

Buck Fush · 01-18-2006, 03:12 PM

Excellent point, but if we educate our kids on how to use guns, won't that just make them more effective killers? </sarcasm>

ScratchMonkey · 01-18-2006, 03:57 PM

Took a couple tries but I came up with a google expression for finding sources for this:

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...un&btnG=Search

ScratchMonkey · 01-18-2006, 04:00 PM

Found the original:

http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/rants/guncontrol.php

**Strag** · 01-18-2006, 04:24 PM

I always enjoy these.

Delta_Swift · 01-18-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

The problem I have with gun-locks is clear. If the gun is being stored: it should be unloaded. Now an uneducated kid would have to take the action to load the weapon, and fire it.

This requires education in how a firearm works, more so than is garnered from most of TV. If your child is educated in gun safety as well as operation as he/she should be: it's a non-issue.

A gun safe is the better bet because it stops the gun from being stolen. A gun lock does not.

Funny stuff. I disagree with some of the anti-gun control points, but most are made in jest and aren't worth debating.

However, I disagree a little with your opinion of gunlocks. The younger generations keep getting smarter and smarter. I think your average youngster (I use that term loosely) could probably figure out how to load a revolver and maybe even an auto if he/she can figure out how to play Medal of Honor: Allied Assault in less than 5 minutes on a computer.

But then again, you mention gun safes, and I agree that gun safes are the best option. If you can't afford one though, a free trigger lock from your local sheriff's/police department is worth its weight in gold.

**Barracuda_Magoo** · 01-18-2006, 11:34 PM

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7.A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

Sadly, I've seen people use that argument.

JMJ · 01-19-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Buck Fush

Priceless. I've never seen the arguments from that side so precisely worded.

I actually agree with #38. Trigger locks, IMO, could prevent most child-related shootings. I encourage their use on stored weapons.

Negative on those paper weights. Every one I get when I buy a new gun get tossed in some cabinet. They are useless. Anyone who is buying a gun should invest in a safe, even if it's a cheap one. Trigger locks are useless.

**TheFeniX** · 01-19-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Delta_Swift

However, I disagree a little with your opinion of gunlocks. The younger generations keep getting smarter and smarter. I think your average youngster (I use that term loosely) could probably figure out how to load a revolver and maybe even an auto if he/she can figure out how to play Medal of Honor: Allied Assault in less than 5 minutes on a computer.

The only thing a gun lock stops is your kid from playing around with your gun. And if he's educated enough, that shouldn't be an issue.

If he decided to use it to do harm, the master lock style ones (with the large loop) get shut down by a pair of bolt cutters. Those are the only free ones I've seen offered. And I'm not sure about the trigger locks, but they've never looked that sturdy to me: a drill bit would probably make short work of them. I've never seen a place give those kind out for free, although I could be wrong.

I've also seen video of a guy beating a trigger lock off with a hammer. Sure, it beat the Hell of the the finish on the weapon, but who cares?

If properly motivated: the kid will get your gun into a fireable condition. Even more so if you're lazy and leave the key where it's easily found.

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But then again, you mention gun safes, and I agree that gun safes are the best option. If you can't afford one though, a free trigger lock from your local sheriff's/police department is worth its weight in gold.

Hold off buying a pistol or two and get a gun safe. It stops the kiddies and any burglers from accessing your collection.

I don't think I'll ever be worried about my kid getting a hold of my gun. My dad taught me about the uses and dangers of guns when I was old enough to hold on. I will do the same with my kid. I'm worried about the guy who smashes my window when I'm at work, or people who come over when I'm not around. (You may trust your kid, but their friends are another issue).

Anyways, if you feel a gunlock does the job: more power to you. I just find they're a "feel-good" solution to a problem without actually addressing the real issue. Accidental child deaths involving guns are exceedingly rare (check my sig link) and it's almost always an issue of education.

rs_al · 01-19-2006, 12:19 PM

Wow, someone has taken strawman to a whole new level. Even Penn & Teller couldn't compete.

**leejo** · 01-19-2006, 02:35 PM

How so?

Delta_Swift · 01-19-2006, 03:26 PM

Good point(s) Fenix.

Pickle · 01-20-2006, 01:12 AM

+ rep for humorous thread when I get to it.

Back to gun locks. If you have nothing else = great. Otherwise = useless.

I keep several loaded guns in the house. All of them securely locked away.

01-18-2006, 03:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Buck Fush Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 602	Re: 40 reason not to own guns. Priceless. I've never seen the arguments from that side so precisely worded. I actually agree with #38. Trigger locks, IMO, could prevent most child-related shootings. I encourage their use on stored weapons.

01-18-2006, 03:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Buck Fush Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 602	Re: 40 reason not to own guns. Excellent point, but if we educate our kids on how to use guns, won't that just make them more effective killers? </sarcasm>

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Delta_Swift Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: North Carolina Age: 22 Posts: 455	Re: 40 reason not to own guns. Good point(s) Fenix. __________________ \|TG\|Delta_Swift

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Pickle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Land of Fruit and Nuts! Age: 35 Posts: 1,281	Re: 40 reason not to own guns. + rep for humorous thread when I get to it. Back to gun locks. If you have nothing else = great. Otherwise = useless. I keep several loaded guns in the house. All of them securely locked away. __________________ "Umm Deputy these aren't my pants" - Common alarm cry of the North American Crackhead [tg-c1][ma-c1][defense]

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