Climate Change, NASA, and the Bush Admin - Page 8

Lucky Shot · 04-17-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

What really bothers me is how often scientists who do not drink the Global Warming Kool-Aid are shouted into silence. Reading this by a professor of atmospheric science at MIT is telling, especially his references to being brow-beaten and ridiculed by crusaders like Al Gore.

It's a good read, especially inasmuch as it explains in layman's terms why this last years natural disasters cannot be blamed on global warming.

Yea the BBC is running a radio program on the 20th discussing this topic. They call it the Battle for Influence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/thebattl...nce/pip/abkim/

Also saw that China is suffering from some poor air days. I believe most of their power comes from Coal, not Oil. On top of that, they are suffering from some dust bowl type symptoms. Can't wait to see the olympics where the atheletes all have oxygen masks.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ORM.xml&rpc=22

Steeler · 04-17-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucky Shot

Also saw that China is suffering from some poor air days. I believe most of their power comes from Coal, not Oil. On top of that, they are suffering from some dust bowl type symptoms. Can't wait to see the olympics where the atheletes all have oxygen masks.

That's a good reminder that there are plenty of other reasons to improve the environmental quality of our industrial output. Reducing particulates, mercury, CO2, nitrate emissions, etc. all have public health benefits. A lot of the global warming chatter has pulled attention away from what used to be core environmental issues.

**Overlag** · 04-17-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

What really bothers me is how often scientists who do not drink the Global Warming Kool-Aid are shouted into silence. Reading this by a professor of atmospheric science at MIT is telling, especially his references to being brow-beaten and ridiculed by crusaders like Al Gore.

It's a good read, especially inasmuch as it explains in layman's terms why this last years natural disasters cannot be blamed on global warming.

hehe thats a load of rubbish..... as the planet gets warmer.... theres alot more energy stored, ready to "explode" in hurricains, tornadeos etc... yet that guy claims to be a professor.....haha!

Switchcraft · 04-17-2006, 10:57 PM

LOL. That reminds me of how WIRED magazine blamed the tsunami on global warming.

**leejo** · 04-17-2006, 10:59 PM

Haha indeed. I think you just made Switchcraft's point for him, Overlag.

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm

**GhostintheShell** · 04-18-2006, 09:33 AM

Well, I'm glad if the one thing I achieved in this thread was to make people question the info they are given. (Even if they eventually come to different conclusions from myself.)

Even a couple years ago we had passionate threads here about global warming and peak oil and since gathering more information for myself I have done a complete turn around in what I thought I KNEW were the facts.

The more I research them, the more I distrust these neverending "crises".

**Overlag** · 04-18-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

LOL. That reminds me of how WIRED magazine blamed the tsunami on global warming.

thats a totally different type of disaster....and yes, i laughed out loud when some magazines started blaming bush/global warming for the tsunami!!!

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Originally Posted by leejo

Haha indeed. I think you just made Switchcraft's point for him, Overlag.

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm

yup thats what i was trying to do

**leejo** · 04-18-2006, 10:12 AM

Being a parent is making me stupid. Your post went right over my head.

**Overlag** · 04-18-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by leejo

Being a parent is making me stupid. Your post went right over my head.

my post didnt make much sence as i quoted the whole txt, and not just the sentance i was agreeing too... so it was understandable that i lost you.....not you being stupid

oh and i was drunk too!

Lucky Shot · 04-18-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

The more I research them, the more I distrust these neverending "crises".

Global Warming... Bird Flu... Mumps... Mad Cow Disease... West Nile Virus... Mexican Killer Bees... Nuclear Plant Disasters... Dangerous Magnets... Living near High Voltage Power Lines... It never stops.

Lucky Shot

Switchcraft · 04-19-2006, 04:54 PM

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...-POLARBEAR.xml

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Two U.S. explorers plan to start a four-month summer expedition to the North Pole next month to gather information on the habitat of an animal they believe could be the first victim of global warming -- the polar bear.

The article notes they were going to do this last year, but called off the expedition due to "unusually heavy snow and ice."

Lucky Shot · 04-19-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Switchcraft

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...-POLARBEAR.xml

The article notes they were going to do this last year, but called off the expedition due to "unusually heavy snow and ice."

Yea, it's a real mystery why Polar Bears are finding it more difficult to find food... http://www.stopthesealhunt.ca/site/p...PFIqE&b=437193

Lucky Shot

xTYBALTx · 04-19-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostintheShell

The more I research them, the more I distrust these neverending "crises".

One of the wisest statements I've seen lately.

But certainly you're worried about the obesity epidemic!

AMosely · 04-19-2006, 05:24 PM

Look who showed up on Nova - our favorite scientist James Hansen. Actually I think they threw him in there just to get some visibility, because the program is actually on global dimming, which some say is just one of the many aspects of the larger issue of global warming. One big difference is that dimming is purely caused by humans. The studies on contrail effects alone and their impact on weather and temperature are amazing.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/

You guys want to try and disprove this one?

Global warming may not be happening the rates some have projected - and humans may or may not be the tipping factor - but one thing is clear - we are continuing to pollute the planet and it is having a measurable effect on the atmosphere. That's why I think it's so irresponsible to try and blow this off as some kind of conspiracy. This isn't political propaganda, or a set-up by environmentalists to get you to stop driving your SUV. True scientific research does not cry wolf.

Diceman · 04-19-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucky Shot

Yea, it's a real mystery why Polar Bears are finding it more difficult to find food... http://www.stopthesealhunt.ca/site/p...PFIqE&b=437193

Lucky Shot

Are you saying that the polar bears are starving because of the annual seal hunt?

04-17-2006, 10:57 PM	#109 (permalink)
Switchcraft Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY Age: 31 Posts: 1,096	Re: Climate Change, NASA, and the Bush Admin LOL. That reminds me of how WIRED magazine blamed the tsunami on global warming.

04-17-2006, 10:59 PM	#110 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Climate Change, NASA, and the Bush Admin Haha indeed. I think you just made Switchcraft's point for him, Overlag. http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm

04-18-2006, 09:33 AM	#111 (permalink)
GhostintheShell Join Date: May 2003 Location: Guelph, Ontario Age: 37 Posts: 963	Re: Climate Change, NASA, and the Bush Admin Well, I'm glad if the one thing I achieved in this thread was to make people question the info they are given. (Even if they eventually come to different conclusions from myself.) Even a couple years ago we had passionate threads here about global warming and peak oil and since gathering more information for myself I have done a complete turn around in what I thought I KNEW were the facts. The more I research them, the more I distrust these neverending "crises". __________________ Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter. Ernest Hemingway, "On the Blue Water," Esquire, April 1936

04-18-2006, 10:12 AM	#113 (permalink)
leejo Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 39 Posts: 7,839	Re: Climate Change, NASA, and the Bush Admin Being a parent is making me stupid. Your post went right over my head.

04-19-2006, 05:24 PM	#119 (permalink)
AMosely Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maine Age: 34 Posts: 2,793	Re: Climate Change, NASA, and the Bush Admin Look who showed up on Nova - our favorite scientist James Hansen. Actually I think they threw him in there just to get some visibility, because the program is actually on global dimming, which some say is just one of the many aspects of the larger issue of global warming. One big difference is that dimming is purely caused by humans. The studies on contrail effects alone and their impact on weather and temperature are amazing. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/ You guys want to try and disprove this one? Global warming may not be happening the rates some have projected - and humans may or may not be the tipping factor - but one thing is clear - we are continuing to pollute the planet and it is having a measurable effect on the atmosphere. That's why I think it's so irresponsible to try and blow this off as some kind of conspiracy. This isn't political propaganda, or a set-up by environmentalists to get you to stop driving your SUV. True scientific research does not cry wolf.

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