Beheading Video - Page 12

DeRanger · 05-29-2004, 07:12 PM

Oh you've got it all wrong. I don't "hate" your country nor do I "hate" the people that happen to be "Americans" but I do hate your government and the moron in the driver's seat. This is "blinding me so much" in your estimation? That's a good one tycho, really rich.

Q. Why do terrorists wearing sneakers and reading from a script evidently sedate/incapacitate/kill a guy before they lop his head off in retribution then cut scene to the fait de compli as is evidenced in that video?

A. They don't.

Or perhaps they're very squeemish terrorists who piss their shorts at the thought of decapitating a living American "enemy". All I'm saying is that video presents many more questions than simply concluding that poor chump was executed by bonafide terrorists. Maybe I'm a paranoid conspiracy theorist or maybe many "Americans" are in complete denial that their government could possibly be responsible for such propaganda or so many other plausable explanations which will probably never see light of day. Apparently there are reasons to be suspicious in both executions but I agree it's much easier to believe what you want to believe. I just think its bloody interesting.

**CingularDuality** · 05-29-2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeRanger

Oh you've got it all wrong. I don't "hate" your country nor do I "hate" the people that happen to be "Americans" but I do hate your government and the moron in the driver's seat. This is "blinding me so much" in your estimation? That's a good one tycho, really rich.

Q. Why do terrorists wearing sneakers and reading from a script evidently sedate/incapacitate/kill a guy before they lop his head off in retribution then cut scene to the fait de compli as is evidenced in that video?

A. They don't.

Or perhaps they're very squeemish terrorists who piss their shorts at the thought of decapitating a living American "enemy". All I'm saying is that video presents many more questions than simply concluding that that poor chump was executed by bonafide terrorists. Maybe I'm a paranoid conspiracy theorist or maybe many "Americans" are in complete denial that their government could possibly be responsible for such propaganda or so many other plausable explanations which will probably never see light of day. Apparently there are reasons to be suspicious in both executions but I agree it's much easier to believe what you want to believe. I just think its bloody interesting.

I agree with the above (except for the use of the phrase "poor chump". I'm not convinced that he was an innocent victim.), and two things really bother me about it:

That I honestly believe that it's possible that the US government is responsible for this video.

That there aren't very many Americans willing to question that video. They all are accepting it the way it was presented to them by the media...

**DudeMan** · 05-29-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

I agree with the above (except for the use of the phrase "poor chump". I'm not convinced that he was an innocent victim.), and two things really bother me about it:

That I honestly believe that it's possible that the US government is responsible for this video.

That there aren't very many Americans willing to question that video. They all are accepting it the way it was presented to them by the media...

WELL THE TWO QUESTIONS YOU RAISED IN YOUR OWN POST ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

people cant believe that the US government are capable. so why not accept the video.

to be honest, it is a war crime if it has been committed and president bush as with sadam should be brought to trial and face the consequences like sadam has to if its true.

i myself dont think its true at all.

sneakers and western clothing is worn by iraiqs because well becxause they also sell posters of david Beckham and Michael jordan over there. dont confuse them with towl headed rhobe wearing farmers, alot of iraqis wear western clothes.

that for me isnt evidence, if any light came of what jex was talking about or posted a link too, well thats a different stroy and you would have to explore that, but as yet its all hearsay and i am not going to base a beliefe on hearsay, ill accept it until damning evidence proves otherwise.

**CingularDuality** · 05-29-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

people cant believe that the US government are capable. so why not accept the video.

Because my country is governed by a document that starts out "We The People" not "we the sheeple"...

**DudeMan** · 05-29-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Because my country is governed by a document that starts out "We The People" not "we the sheeple"...

yess cing all very idealistic but it isnt the way it has panned out is it. people trust the government, maybe in some circumstances that they shouldnt, but the cant believe that bush would seriously do it, therefore they cant in their own brains take what you and others are taking seriously....

its a matter of for you, one way, and for them another, there are alot of people like you, you only have to look around here and people agree, but there are also those who find it inconcievable that the president would knowingly allow this, so anything said to the contrary is bizare and stupid... its not a case of being a sheep. its a case that they just dont believe that bush is capable therefore the notion is bizare and they will find reasons why, just as you can find reasins wghy it could be true....

**CingularDuality** · 05-30-2004, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

yess cing all very idealistic but it isnt the way it has panned out is it. people trust the government, maybe in some circumstances that they shouldnt, but the cant believe that bush would seriously do it, therefore they cant in their own brains take what you and others are taking seriously....

Well, I'm certainly not saying President Bush knows anything more than you or I about this video. Keep in mind the fact that the US Government is the largest employer in the world. It's impossible for one man to keep track of what everyone does in the name of the United States of America. Especially when it's meant to be a secret.

Besides, I think the Illuminati did it...

**DudeMan** · 05-30-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

Well, I'm certainly not saying President Bush knows anything more than you or I about this video. Keep in mind the fact that the US Government is the largest employer in the world. It's impossible for one man to keep track of what everyone does in the name of the United States of America. Especially when it's meant to be a secret.

Besides, I think the Illuminati did it...

well ok but im not getting into the whole conspiracy thing,

but i do think that if the us governem,ent did have somethinng to do with it they would be pretty stupid not to inform the big guy or at least all his advisors and stuff so they can lock it all down.

but whatever, the point is, people dont believe because they cant believe the US is capable of such a gross ilegal act, i myself am not sure the conspiracy is true therefore ill wait for evidence actual damning evidence until then its a cnspiracy theroy, juist a fantasy about the governemtn being agaisnt you and thats it a fantasy...

when i say you its general not aimed at anyone

**CingularDuality** · 05-30-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

but whatever, the point is, people dont believe because they cant believe the US is capable of such a gross ilegal act, i myself am not sure the conspiracy is true therefore ill wait for evidence actual damning evidence until then its a cnspiracy theroy, juist a fantasy about the governemtn being agaisnt you and thats it a fantasy...

So, the only thing preventing you from wholeheartedly believing this theory is evidence? Sounds like you're in the same boat as I am, then...

All I'm saying is that there's something weird about that video and I'm not giong to blame anyone until I find out enough to know who is responsible for it. I'm not going to believe the media's obviously false story, and I'm not going to believe some conspiracy theorist's story. Not without more factual information, anyway...

fr1j0l3 · 05-30-2004, 02:59 PM

And then add to the pot that Mike moore has an interview with mr. berg that he chose NOT to include in his farnheit 9-11 video. I think he's showing it to his family now.... wonder what was in it...

DeRanger · 05-30-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeMan

...but i do think that if the us governem,ent did have somethinng to do with it they would be pretty stupid not to inform the big guy or at least all his advisors and stuff so they can lock it all down.

I think many have no idea of the multitudes of significant events that are financed and undertaken with U.S. taxpayer's dollars without taking a run through congress and/or the President knowing boo.

**DudeMan** · 05-30-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CingularDuality

So, the only thing preventing you from wholeheartedly believing this theory is evidence? Sounds like you're in the same boat as I am, then...

All I'm saying is that there's something weird about that video and I'm not giong to blame anyone until I find out enough to know who is responsible for it. I'm not going to believe the media's obviously false story, and I'm not going to believe some conspiracy theorist's story. Not without more factual information, anyway...

well put it like that and ok we agree your earlier posts seemed wieghted more towards a conspiracy, i am not rulling out anything, and i can find reasons why the guys would seem to be militarey personel, (iraqis army including thiose closest to sadam feld and went into civiland) and why they would be wearing sneakers (international aid... alot of iraqis have western clothes nothing new)

it seems more believeable to me that these are iraqis because they wore sneakers, the makers of the video if trying to cover it up would not have missed the foot wear, its the baisic thing you look at if you are decieving, your apearence.

but well like i said, people tend to find the evidence to support their beliefe, this is why that crucial evidence is what we need, that one piece of damning evidence that makes bush choke on more than a prezle.

LOWDRAG · 05-30-2004, 07:10 PM

http://www.nathanadams.com/WeSupportU.htm

**DudeMan** · 05-30-2004, 11:30 PM

i am

well i am speechless.

this should be shown on every tv station in the world, and balance out the anti war crap we get 99% of the time.

that is just amazing... really amazing... ****ing A man.... good find, and even though maybe indirectly not relevent, 100% RELEVENT TO ME.

xliipapa6 · 05-31-2004, 01:59 AM

Yep I agree. there is a conspiracy going on in the Bush camp. funny, my wife said something that I now understand to be propaganda. When the Gov said they had credible evidence that Al qeada will attack this summer. But my wife pointed out they NEVER raised the threat level to orange as most common sense people would.

The Abu Garaib prison scandal and right then...nick bergs death.

That Alex Jones website is awesome. He brought up a good question; how could've Zarqawi, the one blamed for killing Nick Berg have killed him when he was killed back on March 4th? and locals collaborated this? the guy in the video is carrying a Israeli "galil" and not an AK47, the weapon of use by the insurgents.

I smell a snake in the grass...Hissssssssssssssssssssssss!

[Edited/Added] Also, the men had white skin...no Iraqi or middle eaterner would have white skin in a sunny hot climate like the mideast. Also Iraqi's know the dialect spoken of in the beheading video isn't Jordanian as Zarqawi was nor Iraqi. what gives?

**CingularDuality** · 05-31-2004, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by xliipapa6

Yep I agree. there is a conspiracy going on in the Bush camp.

Why would you think that President Bush and/or his administration is behind it? How do you know that he doesn't have a team furiously working to find out who exactly made that video and why?

05-29-2004, 07:12 PM	#166 (permalink)
DeRanger Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 663	Re: Beheading Video Oh you've got it all wrong. I don't "hate" your country nor do I "hate" the people that happen to be "Americans" but I do hate your government and the moron in the driver's seat. This is "blinding me so much" in your estimation? That's a good one tycho, really rich. Q. Why do terrorists wearing sneakers and reading from a script evidently sedate/incapacitate/kill a guy before they lop his head off in retribution then cut scene to the fait de compli as is evidenced in that video? A. They don't. Or perhaps they're very squeemish terrorists who piss their shorts at the thought of decapitating a living American "enemy". All I'm saying is that video presents many more questions than simply concluding that poor chump was executed by bonafide terrorists. Maybe I'm a paranoid conspiracy theorist or maybe many "Americans" are in complete denial that their government could possibly be responsible for such propaganda or so many other plausable explanations which will probably never see light of day. Apparently there are reasons to be suspicious in both executions but I agree it's much easier to believe what you want to believe. I just think its bloody interesting. Last edited by DeRanger; 05-29-2004 at 08:31 PM.

05-30-2004, 02:59 PM	#174 (permalink)
fr1j0l3 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,342	Re: Beheading Video And then add to the pot that Mike moore has an interview with mr. berg that he chose NOT to include in his farnheit 9-11 video. I think he's showing it to his family now.... wonder what was in it...

05-30-2004, 07:10 PM	#177 (permalink)
LOWDRAG Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston Posts: 253	Re: Beheading Video http://www.nathanadams.com/WeSupportU.htm

05-30-2004, 11:30 PM	#178 (permalink)
DudeMan Join Date: May 2003 Location: london England Age: 22 Posts: 3,258	Re: Beheading Video i am well i am speechless. this should be shown on every tv station in the world, and balance out the anti war crap we get 99% of the time. that is just amazing... really amazing... ****ing A man.... good find, and even though maybe indirectly not relevent, 100% RELEVENT TO ME.

05-31-2004, 01:59 AM	#179 (permalink)
xliipapa6 Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Carrollton, Maryland Posts: 118	Re: Beheading Video Yep I agree. there is a conspiracy going on in the Bush camp. funny, my wife said something that I now understand to be propaganda. When the Gov said they had credible evidence that Al qeada will attack this summer. But my wife pointed out they NEVER raised the threat level to orange as most common sense people would. The Abu Garaib prison scandal and right then...nick bergs death. That Alex Jones website is awesome. He brought up a good question; how could've Zarqawi, the one blamed for killing Nick Berg have killed him when he was killed back on March 4th? and locals collaborated this? the guy in the video is carrying a Israeli "galil" and not an AK47, the weapon of use by the insurgents. I smell a snake in the grass...Hissssssssssssssssssssssss! [Edited/Added] Also, the men had white skin...no Iraqi or middle eaterner would have white skin in a sunny hot climate like the mideast. Also Iraqi's know the dialect spoken of in the beheading video isn't Jordanian as Zarqawi was nor Iraqi. what gives? __________________ Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his. George S. Patton Last edited by xliipapa6; 05-31-2004 at 02:03 AM.

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