DudeMan

welll as far as i can remember mr hussain did not make public any of his census' if he did any, but i have many freinds who lived in iraq from college who tell me that every member of their family had a gun and everyone they knw had at least one gun in their household.

i cant say fairer than that and i dont suspect them of lying,

p.s i can post what i want anyway you are free to questiion it but dont tell me i cant just say.... because if it is an assumption it is still my opinion.

but actually most of my information about iraq comes from a group of about 13 friends, not related all from iraq.

so if they are all saying that their families and their nieghbours and everyone they knew had guns of some kind then yes i think it is fair to say that most people have access to guns and or own guns of their own.

Apophis

I would rather not have the link directly posted in the forums. However if anyone WANTS to see the video and PM's LOWDRAG for the URL, I have no comment nor issue with that. I'm not going to stop people from exchanging this information outside of the public forums.

Personally. I think many people will want to see it so they can actually understand the reality. It seems to me that far too many people want to comment on what's right and what's wrong with what we are doing over there. They want to be able to be critical of US policy and actions without understanding the other side of the coin. They want to be able to distance themselves from the reality to make it easier to cast judgement where they CHOOSE to cast judgement.

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Mudshark

If pointing our flaws in your logic insults you, then honestly, I am truely sorry. I am merely trying to point out to you, that generalizations that your build your arguments upon are just that, generalizations and not solid foundation.

You on the other hand, have regressed into insults several posts ago with comments such as:

"you americans are prudish"
"you people are unbelievable"
"its total hypocracy and its wrong" <referring to others' opinions, (apparantly all americans).>

Yet after I pointed out the generalizations about americans in that post, you retort, claiming knowledge about the opinions of the majority of americans. But It was not long untill you admitted know knowing about america "because you are English".

Perhaps you could point that hyppocracy stick in another direction now, please?

So, If I was an Iraqi and I took up arms against the most powerful army in the world, which was occupying my country, I'd be a patriot? I think that is exactly the problem.

H-Hour

I said "reasonably shown" and if you've got 13 friends who all say that then I would say that is "reasonably shown" for me. I take back my previous post.

Mudshark

Agreed.

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DudeMan

a very wise decision.

and i agree with what you have said also that people can view it to get the other side and all that. but i seriously do not want to do what the iraqis do with their dead and parade them and call them marters. ( i know it si spelled worng bite me)

i have no issue with you viewing it if you want but i cant do it myself i want to let the guy and his family in peace.

DudeMan

i am really not going to get into the semantics of the tiny lttle details picked from posts aloocating meanings and things because i will loose my temper so ill stick to this.

you have illustrated my point totally here, on one level yes you would be a patriot just because he is killing your troops does not take away from him his national identity, but my point is with the worlds most powerful army on your side you will stand back and allow the misgivings of a few ruin your prospects of democracy.

that doesnt make sense. none at all. fighting against america and Britain is and im sorry this will offend some people but its brave, they are misguided and shooting at my troops so i am in favor of killing the malitia. btu if what we are being told that most agree with us and a few are rogue then you would expect the average iraqis the 90% who are supposed to agree with democracy should stand up and fight for their country in the sense that they want a democracy fight the millitia.

dont ever think that i dont have a degree of respect for the iraqis guys shooting at my troops. i know all my insticts tell me to nuke the ground he stands on but he is fighting for what he believes in and i tell you of all i being an English man should know all about it. the British tradition of the DUNKIRK SPIRIT anyone who was to invade my country will have to kill me, i would not ever surrender, i could not i love m,y country too much and i will never want to live in it under a foriegn rule so i can see where they are comming from.

i suggest that we are being lied to here, the majority or even a split amount of iraqis do not want occupation,

Apophis

I just watched the video. I was horrified and disgusted and I wish I never watched it. It's one thing to see someone blown up in a movie or something, because you know it's not real. But after seeing this thing first hand I feel completely sick to my stomach.

I got to see what the reality of the situation is. These people didn't just execute an American, they brutally executed an American by slowly hacking off his head. After seeing this video it's really put the whole concept of prison brutality back in check as well.

I think before anyone condemns US soldiers for any actions they've done against foreign prisoners, they need to have some kind of basis for comparison. This video provides that basis.

If you haven't seen it yet, I would advise not watching it.

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DudeMan

yes now maybe you see why i was so vocal in ensuring that this video didnt just go out free for all the kiddies browsing the web to see, they ca get it other places i know but i dont want them getting it here.

i have seen one before same kind of thing, a russian soldier a foot on his head and them hacking into his jugular from right to left, i mean it was the worst 20 seconds of my life and the guy was ruffian not someone i would associate with.

i have a baisis for comnparison but i still think the actions of prsion guards was wrong. you can understand why they did it but i still wish to uphold a good human rights record not just justifying it against this act of atrocity.,

Cobra

I would just like to say..I am American, and I didnt have a problem with Jannet Jacksons breast(Except it was nasty looking). You act like the views of some OLD polititians reflect on what the entire country feels. Did you know the porno industry in America generates 7- 13 Billion dollars every year? I would say that there are alot less prudish people than you might think. I think the problem here is that we let the minority of the American population decide what the majority does.

Cobra

I think alot of people are too scared to get involved.

Mudshark

Does anyone have a decent link to a full translation of what the man read from the paper? Not that I don't already have a good idea of the jist...

Mudshark

nevermind, found one....

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/

I don't know what the deal is with that site though, some independant intelligence agency or something. *shrug*

CingularDuality

Comparison? Fine. I agree.

Just don't try to use it as justification. Don't ever forget, we're the good guys. We don't do that crap...

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